{"conversationCode":"390-021","tapeNumber":390,"conversationNumber":21,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-390-021","startDateTime":"1972-11-03T00:00:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-03T00:04:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Nov-1972","startTime":"7:00 PM","endDate":"2-Nov-1972","endTime":"7:04 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Hoopes, David C.;","description":"On November 2, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and David C. Hoopes met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 7:00 pm to 7:04 pm. 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Hoopes.\n\n       Automobile\n\n       The President’s schedule\n            -Unknown woman\n\n       Request for wine, cigar\n\f                                            - 28 -\n\n                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 390-21 (cont’d)\n\n          Unknown woman’s desk\n              -Removal of item\n                   -Order\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 7:00 pm and\n7:02 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 390-21A]\n\n[See Conversation No. 32-156]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n[Pause]\n\nThe President talked with John K. Andrews, Jr. between 7:02 pm and 7:04 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 390-21B]\n\n[See Conversation No. 32-157]\n\nHoopes left at 7:03 pm.\n\n[End of telephone conversation]","filename":["390-021.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Hoopes, David C."],"prevCode":"390-020","nextCode":"390-022","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":26.21,"text":"."},{"start":26.23,"end":26.25,"text":"."},{"start":26.27,"end":26.29,"text":"."},{"start":26.93,"end":41.51,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":107.76,"end":122.09,"text":"All right."},{"start":215.96,"end":221.08,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":250.02,"end":254.72,"text":"Got any of the food?"},{"start":254.74,"end":254.8,"text":"No."},{"start":364.04,"end":376.23,"text":"Hello."},{"start":376.25,"end":377.59,"text":"Uh, one thing I mentioned is the rate of crisis around here is 29%."},{"start":377.61,"end":379.96,"text":"That, uh, we actually have a curfew because we're including some labor that has been in place for the next few weeks."},{"start":381.66,"end":400.68,"text":"See, Labor Day was, well, it was not in purchase time."},{"start":400.7,"end":401.56,"text":"It was in the convention region, not Labor."},{"start":401.58,"end":403.29,"text":"And for Labor, we have Labor in the Commonwealth, and the rest, we have 14 in Plains."},{"start":403.31,"end":404.35,"text":"They're both in Plains, so it's much better than 14."},{"start":404.37,"end":406.75,"text":"Okay, I have a chance to read the speeches, and I should have the cover note, and I sure should, but I'll let it cross."},{"start":406.77,"end":407.51,"text":"This is important, this is important."},{"start":407.53,"end":407.63,"text":"Okay."},{"start":409.81,"end":420.83,"text":"Right."},{"start":426.14,"end":426.96,"text":"But make it 14, including the rest of it."},{"start":426.98,"end":427.06,"text":"See?"},{"start":427.08,"end":427.69,"text":"Maybe it can work on that."},{"start":427.71,"end":428.19,"text":"Well, that's what I saw."},{"start":428.21,"end":428.77,"text":"I saw this with your number."},{"start":428.79,"end":430.09,"text":"I don't know if it was just mine."},{"start":430.11,"end":432.21,"text":"Let me just make sure we mentioned our number."},{"start":432.24,"end":432.3,"text":"14."},{"start":432.31,"end":432.46,"text":"I'm 13."},{"start":432.48,"end":432.58,"text":"Okay."},{"start":432.6,"end":432.68,"text":"Bye."},{"start":432.7,"end":437.59,"text":"Bye now."},{"start":437.61,"end":437.69,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with David C. Hoopes to discuss administrative logistics and scheduling, including the management of an unknown woman’s office space and the removal of specific items from her desk. The brief exchange also touched upon travel or personnel logistics involving labor considerations and scheduling, concluding with requests for refreshments. 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