Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 391 › Conversation 391-007

Nixon & Kissinger on Vietnam negotiations and Nguyen Van Thieu

Wednesday, November 1, 1972 · 2:57 PM–4:12 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 2 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.Conversation391-007 on Tape 391StartWednesday, November 1, 1972 at 2:57 PMEndWednesday, November 1, 1972 at 4:12 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 391-007 ↗

President Nixon and Henry Kissinger deliberate on potential diplomatic emissaries to South Vietnamese President Nguyen Van Thieu, considering figures such as William F. Buckley Jr. The discussion shifts to evaluating the qualifications and suitability of high-level diplomatic appointees, specifically debating the effectiveness of Ambassador Kenneth Rush. The conversation highlights the administration's strategic search for an envoy capable of managing delicate negotiations with the South Vietnamese government.

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Well, I just wonder if there's anything to be, if a fellow like Bill Buckley is fucked up by something like this.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
There is an ambassador on a place in the world.
I don't know.
How about Rush?
No, I don't think.
I don't think Larry can do it.
The trouble is that Rush, Rush is a bomber ambassador in the West.
He's a great professor in the West.
I don't know if I'm going to speak about him in a bit.
He wouldn't be capable of anything.
Well, he is not capable, too.

On November 1, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 2:57 pm and 4:12 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 391-007 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 391-7

Date: November 1, 1972
Time: Unknown between 2:57 pm and 4:12 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with Henry A. Kissinger.

       Vietnam negotiations
            -Possible emissary to Nguyen Van Thieu
                  -William F. Buckley, Jr.
                        -James L. Buckley
                  -Ambassadorships
                        -Value
                        -[Graham Martin]
                        -[David] Kenneth Rush
                        -Melvin R. Laird
                        -Rush
                              -Background
                              -Toughness
  • 391-005 2:10 PM · 48 min — President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:10 pm to 2:57 pm.
  • 391-006 2:57 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 2:57 pm and 4:12 pm.
  • 811-001 3:01 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:01 pm to 3:04 pm.
  • 811-002 3:04 PM · 23 sec — Henry A. Kissinger and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:04 pm and 3:08 pm.
  • 811-003 3:04 PM · 1 hr 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, John Cardinal Krol, White House photographer, Stephen B. Bull, Manolo Sanchez, and James McGettigan met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:04 pm and 4:07 pm.
  • 811-004 4:07 PM · 1 min — United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:07 pm and 11:59 pm.
  • 391-008 4:12 PM · 10 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Raymond K. Price, Jr., Henry A. Kissinger, and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:12 pm to 4:23 pm.
  • 032-121 4:23 PM · 10 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 4:23 pm.

Conversation 391-007, November 1, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/391-007 (accessed October 5, 2026).