{"conversationCode":"391-007","tapeNumber":391,"conversationNumber":7,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-391-007","startDateTime":"1972-11-01T19:57:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-01T21:12:00.000Z","startDate":"1-Nov-1972","startTime":"2:57 PM","endDate":"1-Nov-1972","endTime":"4:12 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On November 1, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 2:57 pm and 4:12 pm. 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Buckley\n                  -Ambassadorships\n                        -Value\n                        -[Graham Martin]\n                        -[David] Kenneth Rush\n                        -Melvin R. Laird\n                        -Rush\n                              -Background\n                              -Toughness","filename":["391-007.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"391-006","nextCode":"391-008","transcript":[{"start":8.65,"end":31.25,"text":"Well, I just wonder if there's anything to be, if a fellow like Bill Buckley is fucked up by something like this."},{"start":31.27,"end":31.65,"text":"Yeah, I don't know."},{"start":31.67,"end":31.93,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":31.95,"end":32.21,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":32.23,"end":32.49,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":32.51,"end":32.77,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":32.79,"end":33.05,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":33.07,"end":33.33,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":33.35,"end":33.61,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":33.63,"end":33.89,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":33.91,"end":34.17,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":34.19,"end":34.45,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":34.47,"end":34.73,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":34.75,"end":35.01,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":35.03,"end":35.29,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":35.31,"end":35.57,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":45.49,"end":70.15,"text":"There is an ambassador on a place in the world."},{"start":70.17,"end":70.43,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":70.45,"end":70.75,"text":"How about Rush?"},{"start":70.77,"end":71.13,"text":"No, I don't think."},{"start":71.15,"end":71.75,"text":"I don't think Larry can do it."},{"start":75.33,"end":86.39,"text":"The trouble is that Rush, Rush is a bomber ambassador in the West."},{"start":86.41,"end":87.11,"text":"He's a great professor in the West."},{"start":87.13,"end":88.22,"text":"I don't know if I'm going to speak about him in a bit."},{"start":88.24,"end":88.94,"text":"He wouldn't be capable of anything."},{"start":88.96,"end":89.54,"text":"Well, he is not capable, too."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger deliberate on potential diplomatic emissaries to South Vietnamese President Nguyen Van Thieu, considering figures such as William F. 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