Conversation 391-010

TapeTape 391StartWednesday, November 1, 1972 at 5:12 PMEndWednesday, November 1, 1972 at 5:55 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Kissinger, Henry A.;  Price, Raymond K., Jr.;  Nixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan);  Woods, Rose MaryRecording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On November 1, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Henry A. Kissinger, Raymond K. Price, Jr., Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon, and Rose Mary Woods met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:12 pm to 5:55 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 391-010 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 391-10

Date: November 1, 1972
Time: 5:12 pm - 5:55 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

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      1972 campaign
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      The President’s speech, “Look to the Future”
           -Duration
           -Pace
           -Tape editing
                 -Deletions
           -Opening
                 -Wording
                        -John Adams
                 -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
           -Presentation
                 -White House library

      The President’s trips
           -New Mexico

                 -Albuquerque
                      -Advantages
            -Boston
                 -Opposition

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      Kissinger
            -Promise to Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
                 -The President’s possible meeting with head of Soviet Union academy of
                  sciences [Mistislav V. Keldysh]
                        -Timing

Haldeman talked with Kissinger at an unknown time between 5:15 pm and 5:42 pm.

[Conversation No. 391-10A]

      The President’s schedule
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             -Meeting with Keldysh
                  -Timing

[End of telephone conversation]

       Kissinger
             -Manner
                 -Meeting with Haldeman

       The President’s speech, “Look to the Future”
            -George S. McGovern’s corruption charges
            -1972 election
                  -Importance
                         -World peace
                              -John Adams
                              -The President’s trips to the People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                                and Soviet Union
                              -The President’s decisions
                              -The President’s trips to the PRC and Soviet Union
                              -[McGovern]
                                    -Chance of winning

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                       -Purchase of air time
                              -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
                              -American Broadcasting Corporation [ABC]
                              -Football game
                       -The President’s speech, “Look to the Future”
                       -Length
            -McGovern
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                            -Football game
                            -ABC
                            -CBS
          -The President’s TV appearances
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                      -Long campaign
                      -Issues
                      -Purchase of air time
                      -Commercials
               -Announcements
               -Documentary
               -McGovern
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                      -Football games
                            -CBS
          -Speech writing staff
               -Price
                      -Thinker
                      -Editor
          -The President’s speech, “Look to the Future”
               -Foreign policy issues
                      -Importance
                      -Vietnam War
               -Text
                      -Release
               -Vietnam
               -Announcement
               -Radio
               -Foreign policy section
                      -Editing
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                      -John G. Schmitz
                            -TV appearance

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Haldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 5:15 pm and 5:42 pm.

[Conversation No. 391-10H]

       Request

[End of telephone conversation]

The President talked with Kissinger 5:42 pm.

[Conversation No. 3491-10C]

       Vietnam negotiations
            -George C. Wallace
                 -Briefing by Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

[End of telephone conversation]

       Press conference
             -Advisability
                   -Patrick J. Buchanan
                         -View
                   -Ronald L. Ziegler’s views
             -Alternatives
                   -Ziegler’s view
                         -Garnett D. (“Jack”) Horner
                   -Horner
                         -The President’s departure for California
                         -Duration
                   -The President’s return from California
                         -Theodore H. White, Nicholas P. Thimmesch
                                -Duration

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       1972 campaign
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                   -Boston
                   -Baltimore
                   -MacGregor
                   -Radio
             -Massachusetts
                   -The President’s chances of victory
             -Outcome
                   -Predictions
             -Primary issues
                   -Vietnam
                         -Voter turnout
                         -Amnesty
             -The President’s image
                   -Popular perceptions
             -Watergate issue
                   -Importance
                   -John S. (“Jack”) Knight
                   -The President’s press conferences
                         -Ziegler
                         -Advisability
                         -Purpose
                         -TV coverage
             -William E. Brock, III
                   -Plan
                   -Republican National Committee [RNC]

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The President left at an unknown time after 5:42 pm.

Haldeman talked with Raymond K. Price, Jr. [?] at an unknown time between 5:42 pm and 5:47
pm.

[Conversation No. 391-10D]

       The President’s schedule
            -The President’s forthcoming speech, “Look to the Future”
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                  -Draft
                        -Review by the President

The President entered at an unknown time before 5:47 pm.

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       Republican Party
            -Purpose in elections
                  -RNC
                        -Candidates

The President talked with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon between 5:47 pm and 5:48 pm.

[Conversation No. 391-10E]

[See Conversation No. 32-124]

[End of telephone conversation]

The President talked with Rose Mary Woods at an unknown time between 5:48 pm and 5:55 pm.

[Conversation No. 391-10F]

       The President’s schedule
            -Dinner
                  -Mrs. Nixon

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       Republican party
            -Candidate selection
                  -Ethnics
                  -Youth
                  -New Majority
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                        -Brock
                        -Daniel H. Kuykendall
                        -Margaret Chase Smith
                  -Congress
                  -Chairmanship
                        -Robert J. Dole
                               -Spokesmen
                  -Candidate selection
                        -Youth
                  -Chairmanship
                        -Dole
                               -Departure
                  -Staffing
                  -Chairmanship
                        -State chairmen

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The President talked with Henry A. Kissinger at an unknown time between 5:48 pm and 5:55
pm.

[Conversation No. 391-10G]

       The President’s speech, “Look to the Future”
            -Vietnam negotiations
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                  -Paris
                           -Latest developments
                                 -The President’s comments
                                       -Soundness

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I'm not sure what time we need, but it ought to be, you know, half hour before we go.
Well, no, we'll make it an hour before we leave.
Yeah, we'll leave at 11.
Thank you.
And he kept running and he seemed so arrogant and overbearing.
And I said, why did you say that?
And he said, because you're never nice like that.
And that just whipped me to a wonderful high.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's pretty good.
That's all right.
That's all right.
That's pretty good.
Yeah.
See, that's what the... That's all right.
No more.
No more.
No more than that.
I hear that the White House was a great decision to shape America's history.
No, no, I haven't talked about that.
The President probably would have asked you that.
No, no, no.
That's what you just read to me, but not one other question.
I'm actually worried about the story here.
That's all right.
Five days before the war.
That's what I was going to ask you.
No.
No, I've got my dad.
What you just read today.
Don't give me any more, all right?
I didn't go to my apartment.
I did.
The other guy had a cat.
No reason.
Yeah.
I don't think he's going to shoot a record shot today.
If they're ready to play, I'm not going to run away, too.
No, no, no.
That's all right.
So now, that was not very good.
There we are.
Now, if everybody had anything to do with that, what I would say is, if you're going to do shit like that, you couldn't.
That's the way it is.
That's how it's done.
I don't want to be there.
Monday I'm going to be there.
uh, running an ATV, probably going to buy $50,000.
Well, we can buy $50,000.
You don't think I can say it, Tom?
I think you can.
I think you should.
Um, you know, if we can buy, we can, but, uh, in bad times, we can buy $50,000.
Which is great, but, like, if you don't,
Or maybe you can see right up to the left on the end of the right of the third.
You might all agree with that.
Oh, we've got that all at the same time.
No, I don't think so.
And then go on.
Take it again.
Take it.
I'm going to take it again today.
All right.
Take it, Tom.
Great.
I'm going to take it.
I'm going to take it.
I'm going to take it.
I'm going to take it.
I'm going to take it.
I'm going to take it.
I'm going to take it.
I'm going to take it.
I'm going to take it.
Now, we can get better time slots, in a sense.
By buying half hour, you can go up to five minutes a little bit more, and you can go up to about a thousand minutes plus, plus eight minutes, plus 11 minutes.
But I think, unlike what we've done five minutes later, that is, yes, it's better now, and you can go up to that point.
I can certainly say,
I never set up for 55.
I never had permission to talk two and a half hours at different levels at different times.
And after one and a half hours, I expanded the other into 55 minutes.
And we got eight and a half, and then I did a two and a half.
The football game is out at 9 o'clock, and I have to go to bed at 8 o'clock.
At least get a half hour of CES at 9.30, because I thought we were going to get a half hour of ABC at 8.30, because I thought we were going to get a half hour of ABC at 8.30, because I thought we were going to get a half hour of ABC at 8.30, because I thought we were going to get a half hour of ABC at 8.30, because I thought we were going to get a half hour of ABC at 8.30, because I thought we were going to get a half hour of ABC at 8.30, because I thought we were going to get a half hour of ABC at 8.30, because I thought we were going to get a half hour of ABC at 8.30, because I thought we were going to get a half hour of ABC at 8.30, because I thought we were going to get a half hour of ABC at 8.30, because I thought we were going to get a half hour of ABC at 8.30, because I thought we were going to get a half hour of
All right.
All right.
All right.
Is there any way that we can get out of here?
That's the only thing that worries me.
Well, if we combine that power, if we still go on for five minutes, then we don't know if we're going to get out of here.
I'm always going to say that.
But you know, if you buy any one necklace, I'm going to say that.
If you own a dress, if you own a necklace, you're not going to sell it.
If you buy some dresses, you're not going to sell it.
You're going to have all of them.
I'll go buy a necklace.
Okay, because the day we announced that we were going to have all of them, I'll drive.
And I'll take the other one.
That's the real best part about the battery.
It takes about a pretty good 25 minutes on the battery.
I haven't figured out what to do with it.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
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.
The first thing is to make it happen.
The chance of every guest that gets to do is to make it happen all the time.
But at the end, I hope that they're going to make it happen.
As far as finance, everything's combined, but I want the finance to really have the motivation to do it.
I don't think that the finance should make it happen, but I don't think that's possible.
Now, Ray is really going to stamp this out, I think.
It's really important to keep this in mind.
Right?
At the same time.
rather than the hell that it is.
And frankly, I don't know if that's true or not.
If you give Ray a month, right, all of his speech, he'd get a lot of hype on that, right?
But yeah, most of these other guys, they've been batting for so long.
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.
.
There is no way to tell a lie from a fake story.
That's right.
That's right.
I won't take a foot out.
Thank you.
You may go to bed.
All right, you can go to bed.
You can go to bed.
I'm back here to get to the radio problem.
I think I'll have to take the helipad right now.
And I'll have to take the other credit.
I hope you guys get that radio back.
Why?
Because I guess you can't go on and on and on and on and on and on.
I'm going to be on the road.
I'm going to be on the road.
I'm going to be on the road.
I'm going to be on the road.
I'm going to be on the road.
I'm going to be on the road.
I think one of the problems we've got is that there's been some nagging problems in the community for about eight or so years in Vietnam.
I would say that I think I'm required to do the best I can.
That's been on for a half hour, but it's important to get that out of the community, because that's not going to stop us from reaching the versions we want to reach.
Henry, I wanted to say that Doug Wallace won this time.
Yes, and he has to be telling the truth.
That's right.
Very nice.
And then on the way back, I'll see Debbie White and I'll see Debbie White and I'll call her and I'll say Debbie White and I'll call her.
Let's not do it that way.
They all know.
No, let's not.
I told you, we're in trouble.
We're in trouble.
We're in trouble.
We're in trouble.
We're in trouble.
We're in trouble.
We're in trouble.
I was ready to do it.
I was ready to do it.
I was ready to do it.
I was ready to do it.
I was ready to do it.
I was ready to do it.
I was ready to do it.
I was ready to do it.
Well, last year there was a hell of a lot of shots, and, you know, the second thing is that we wanted to get into the parade, and we wanted to get into the parade, and we wanted to get into the parade, and we wanted to get into the parade, and we wanted to get into the parade.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't think you've got a place.
That's where you're supposed to be, where you're supposed to be.
You're supposed to be where you're supposed to be.
What do you want to say?
Take your day.
The guy is up for a day.
What do you want?
My mom.
What do you want?
What do you want?
What do you want?
All right.
Are you free to have a dinner or not?
Alright, fine.
We'll, uh, we'll, uh, we'll, uh, we'll, uh, we'll, uh, we'll, uh, we'll, uh, we'll, uh, we'll, uh, we'll, uh, we'll, uh, we'll, uh, we'll, uh, we'll, uh, we'll, uh, we'll, uh, we'll, uh, we'll, uh, we'll, uh,
I took all of the efforts of the Republicans to do that.
I took all of the efforts of the Republicans to do that.
I took all of the efforts of the Republicans to do that.
I took all of the efforts of the Republicans to do that.
I took all of the efforts of the Republicans to do that.
I took all of the efforts of the Republicans to do that.
I took all of the efforts of the Republicans to do that.
I took all of the efforts of the Republicans to do that.
I took all of the efforts of the Republicans to do that.
I took all of the efforts of the Republicans to do that.
I took all of the efforts of the Republicans to do that.
I took all of the efforts of the Republicans to do that.
I took all of the efforts of the Republicans to do that.
I took all of the efforts of the Republicans to do that.
I took all of the efforts of the Republicans to do that.
I took all of the efforts of the Republicans to do that.
I took all of the efforts of the Republicans to do that.
I took all
And like Dave, we've had travels with our inspectors, senators, congressmen, you know, and all kinds of stuff like that, all through the last few years.
You know, this, the one off the election is going to sell what I made, so it's like, oh, we don't have any space for it.
And we've got to find more, make it good, and more.
By the right kind of services, so we can take this company down in a few years, and identify it through the first, you know, every farmer by crop.
uh he does the right kind of staff over that and hey you've got
A way that we can do that, or to think of before, the bus that we spent before, we could get rid of all the overlapping stacks because we smothered hundreds of people's stacks down to about 30 people.
And then, we work on this identification of the candidates, so I can know if they're crazy or not.
And if we can do that, we can start it.
We can hire good people to hire those guys right now.
These jobs, PR jobs, small jobs, small jobs, I don't know what they do, but they do a lot of work.
So it's a different expression.
They're waiting for a partner.
They've got to do something.
If you think they're going to be able to do something, then they're going to be able to do it.
But you've got to allow them to do something.
You've got to allow them to do something.
You've got to allow them to do something.
You've got to allow them to do something.
I don't know.
First of all, I was next to the thing.
First of all, I was next to the thing.
First of all, I was next to the thing.
First of all, I was next to the thing.
And maybe we just can't talk about it.
We can't talk about it.
But we have to talk about it.
We have to talk about it.
We have to talk about it.
We have to talk about it.
We have to talk about it.
Because we've got to be able to push them out.
You know what I mean?
We've got to put them out.
We've got to put them out.
We've got to put them out.
We've got to put them out.
We've got to put them out.
I could live out the 60-day plan.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
So, if you ask a guy right now, like, I don't know, I'm so old for it.
I'll do that all the time.
You don't want to do anything like that.
This is all back to the brick.
We're not back to where we are.
It's all about the kitchen.
It's all about the kitchen.
It's all about the kitchen.
It's all about the kitchen.
It's all about the kitchen.
You know what I mean?
um
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Oh, Henry, what a great day.
As you know, I've had time to wrap up this thing for an hour and a half.
We will know about the car at the first time in the morning.
And I would like to say that my view is that whatever happens, that's, that's, that's true.
But it is, uh, in other words, if they, if they say they don't, I'm going to be fine.
I'm saying that's just fine.
And, uh, if they do, that's fine too.
You know, uh, I'm good with it.
Yeah.
Uh, yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
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.
.
.
All right.
Five days, right?
Five days.
Five days.
Thank you.