{"conversationCode":"391-025","tapeNumber":391,"conversationNumber":25,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-391-025","startDateTime":"1972-11-03T14:24:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-03T14:38:00.000Z","startDate":"3-Nov-1972","startTime":"9:24 AM","endDate":"3-Nov-1972","endTime":"9:38 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On November 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 9:24 am and 9:38 am. 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Case\n\n       The President’s schedule\n            -Meeting with Mistislav V. Keldysh of Soviet Academy of Sciences\n            -Meeting with Council on Environmental Quality [CEQ]\n                  -[Beatrice (“Bettie”) Willard]\n                         -Photograph opportunity\n                               -[Dixie Lee Ray] of Washington State\n                  -Photograph opportunity\n                         -Willard and [John Busterude]\n            -[Louis Tullio] of Erie, Pennsylvania\n            -The President’s telephone calls\n            -November 4, 1972\n            -The President’s telephone calls\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 9:38 am.","filename":["391-025.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"391-024","nextCode":"391-026","transcript":[{"start":0.27,"end":28.62,"text":"What is the situation?"},{"start":32.16,"end":52.13,"text":"You're going to take, you know, you're going to take, you're going to take my business."},{"start":52.15,"end":53.23,"text":"You're going to pitch and say you've got your designs."},{"start":53.26,"end":53.98,"text":"And I'm going to take your property."},{"start":54,"end":54.68,"text":"Well, that's what I actually need."},{"start":54.7,"end":55.36,"text":"I said, well, that's what I have."},{"start":55.38,"end":55.58,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":55.6,"end":55.8,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":55.82,"end":56.2,"text":"That's what I have."},{"start":56.22,"end":56.8,"text":"That's the woman that I find."},{"start":56.82,"end":57.64,"text":"That's why I'm going to help put that on."},{"start":57.66,"end":58.34,"text":"I've already had a picture of her."},{"start":58.36,"end":59.16,"text":"All right, I'll take the picture of her."},{"start":59.53,"end":75.32,"text":"I can't remember the woman, the woman from Washington that I know."},{"start":75.34,"end":76.04,"text":"I'm not sure what the situation is."},{"start":76.06,"end":76.88,"text":"What is the goddamn thing supposed to be?"},{"start":76.9,"end":78.06,"text":"It's supposed to be a press photo of the security members."},{"start":78.08,"end":78.62,"text":"And that's just very weird."},{"start":78.64,"end":78.9,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":78.92,"end":79.19,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":79.2,"end":79.47,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":79.82,"end":103.98,"text":"Yes."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and aide Stephen B. Bull reviewed the President's upcoming schedule, specifically focusing on logistics for meetings with the Council on Environmental Quality and the Soviet Academy of Sciences. The discussion centered on coordinating necessary photograph opportunities, including sessions with Beatrice Willard and Dixie Lee Ray. They also briefly touched upon the status of the President's recent telephone correspondence, including a call with Senator Clifford P. Case.","topics":["Presidential scheduling","Council on Environmental Quality","Mstislav Keldysh","White House photography","Clifford P. 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