{"conversationCode":"394-014","tapeNumber":394,"conversationNumber":14,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-394-014","startDateTime":"1973-01-08T19:56:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-08T20:00:00.000Z","startDate":"8-Jan-1973","startTime":"2:56 PM","endDate":"8-Jan-1973","endTime":"3:00 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On January 8, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:56 pm to 3:00 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 394-014 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.3","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part III","chronReleaseDate":"23-Jun-2009","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 394-14\n\nDate: January 8, 1973\nTime: 2:56 pm - 3:00 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 35-155]\n\f                                             -19-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["394-014.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"394-013","nextCode":"394-015","transcript":[{"start":0.28,"end":28.37,"text":"So, Ron, I wonder if we ought to bother with the picture of what I was just thinking of earlier."},{"start":28.39,"end":28.73,"text":"Yeah, I think so."},{"start":28.75,"end":28.97,"text":"I think so."},{"start":28.99,"end":29.21,"text":"I think so."},{"start":29.23,"end":29.73,"text":"I think so."},{"start":29.75,"end":29.97,"text":"I think so."},{"start":43.7,"end":64.83,"text":"Yeah, they can do what they want."},{"start":64.85,"end":65.05,"text":"All right."},{"start":65.07,"end":66.63,"text":"Now, is that right?"},{"start":66.65,"end":66.75,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":66.77,"end":66.87,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":66.89,"end":71.09,"text":"We're going to go ahead and tell them about the pedestal there."},{"start":78.91,"end":93.89,"text":"No, that's right."},{"start":93.91,"end":105.12,"text":"That's right."},{"start":105.14,"end":105.4,"text":"That's right."},{"start":105.42,"end":105.68,"text":"That's right."},{"start":105.7,"end":105.8,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":105.82,"end":105.94,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":105.96,"end":107.04,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":107.06,"end":107.16,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":107.18,"end":107.74,"text":"Oh, I didn't mind."},{"start":107.76,"end":107.86,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":107.88,"end":107.98,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":108.69,"end":133.14,"text":"Oh, I don't think so."},{"start":134.92,"end":136.56,"text":"No, none of that is true."},{"start":136.58,"end":136.8,"text":"No, no, no."},{"start":136.82,"end":138.43,"text":"Now, what I would say to suggest is that the EOP has to come over here and work."},{"start":138.76,"end":166.81,"text":"uh, uh, uh, uh,"},{"start":169.27,"end":199.01,"text":"Yeah, that's what I remember."},{"start":208.28,"end":208.86,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler briefly consult regarding the public release of a photograph and the necessity of coordinating staff logistics between the Executive Office Building and the White House. The pair confirms their intent to proceed with disseminating information regarding a specific pedestal, while dismissing rumors or inaccurate reports as untrue. The discussion concludes with the President emphasizing the need for Executive Office of the President staff to relocate their workspace to the immediate vicinity for better operational efficiency.","topics":["Public relations","Staff logistics","Executive Office of the President","Media strategy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T18:03:45.590Z"},"topicSlugs":["public-relations","staff-logistics","executive-office-of-the-president","media-strategy"],"audioDurationSec":217,"audioFiles":[{"file":"394-014.mp3","bytes":5216105,"durationSec":217.19,"bitrate":192133,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:45.438Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:32.742Z","transcriptGapSeconds":131,"transcriptGapShare":0.61,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/394-014.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/394-014","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/394/conversation-394-014","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}