{"conversationCode":"394-016","tapeNumber":394,"conversationNumber":16,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-394-016","startDateTime":"1973-01-08T20:04:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-08T20:11:00.000Z","startDate":"8-Jan-1973","startTime":"3:04 PM","endDate":"8-Jan-1973","endTime":"3:11 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On January 8, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:04 pm to 3:11 pm. 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(President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"394-015","nextCode":"394-017","transcript":[{"start":0.27,"end":2.17,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":2.79,"end":4.35,"text":"Hi, Steve."},{"start":6.01,"end":22.25,"text":"Setting up things tomorrow that you could, uh, that don't interfere with."},{"start":22.27,"end":27.11,"text":"I'd like to get George Schultz in and, uh, kind of, uh, with, uh, John Hurt on things, right?"},{"start":27.13,"end":28.64,"text":"Uh, and then, uh, I want things to go down."},{"start":28.66,"end":30.26,"text":"So, uh, I'd like to have, uh, uh, just this, uh, can of Coke, uh,"},{"start":31.22,"end":44.3,"text":"They don't listen to this."},{"start":45.7,"end":54.65,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":55.47,"end":55.73,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":55.75,"end":56.01,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":56.03,"end":56.15,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":60.92,"end":61.02,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":61.62,"end":90.58,"text":"Okay."},{"start":93.16,"end":111.33,"text":"That's the one."},{"start":112.91,"end":115.89,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":122.16,"end":122.26,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":127.42,"end":135.95,"text":"Yes, I have got her."},{"start":135.97,"end":137.81,"text":"Well, my name is Jeff."},{"start":144.28,"end":157.21,"text":"Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff,"},{"start":157.36,"end":184.87,"text":"And then, uh, uh,"},{"start":185.76,"end":208.79,"text":"Then I want him to go up to me and say this 12 o'clock in the morning."},{"start":208.81,"end":210.07,"text":"Then I'll join him in the afternoon for another meeting."},{"start":210.09,"end":210.73,"text":"After that, I'm all set."},{"start":210.75,"end":211.03,"text":"I'm all set."},{"start":211.05,"end":213.86,"text":"I just want to go up to a couple of other people."},{"start":213.88,"end":214.5,"text":"Let's get to the meeting."},{"start":216.01,"end":220.38,"text":"Check it out."},{"start":221.58,"end":238.1,"text":"I don't want any opposite numbers on our side."},{"start":241.95,"end":242.99,"text":"I don't want any other opposite numbers on our side."},{"start":243.01,"end":243.19,"text":"Unless..."},{"start":243.21,"end":243.61,"text":"If he's here..."},{"start":244.25,"end":251.69,"text":"You know what I mean?"},{"start":251.81,"end":267.71,"text":"Well, you know, I have plenty of very, very good, but I have changed that whole thing on any mistake."},{"start":267.73,"end":269.25,"text":"We have one good one, and now we have to have Americans there."},{"start":269.27,"end":269.41,"text":"Go on."},{"start":269.43,"end":269.79,"text":"Go on."},{"start":269.81,"end":269.94,"text":"Go on."},{"start":269.95,"end":270.07,"text":"Go on."},{"start":270.1,"end":270.21,"text":"Go on."},{"start":270.24,"end":270.36,"text":"Go on."},{"start":272.17,"end":285.05,"text":"We don't want to break the circuit."},{"start":285.07,"end":288.07,"text":"We don't want to break the circuit."},{"start":288.09,"end":290.23,"text":"We don't want to break the circuit."},{"start":290.25,"end":292.42,"text":"We don't want to break the circuit."},{"start":294.16,"end":296.34,"text":"We don't want to break the circuit."},{"start":296.36,"end":297.22,"text":"We don't want to break the circuit."},{"start":297.24,"end":300.68,"text":"We don't want to break the circuit."},{"start":300.7,"end":301.4,"text":"We don't want to break the circuit."},{"start":301.84,"end":327.55,"text":"But then on our side, you know, I don't want to, you know, whether I get a, I don't want to have a, you know, no, there's only, there's only one second left."},{"start":327.57,"end":329.04,"text":"If he breaks, if he has to, if he breaks him up there, I don't like that."},{"start":329.06,"end":329.58,"text":"I don't have to break him."},{"start":329.6,"end":330.5,"text":"I don't have to, you know, you know, see him."},{"start":331.36,"end":344.54,"text":"I'd like to do it the second day."},{"start":344.69,"end":356.49,"text":"Now, if they just work out, and they're anxious to earn it, and they can't do it the first day, they'll have to do it the second day."},{"start":356.51,"end":359.98,"text":"And I think it's a better time to say, don't do it the eighth day, don't do it the fourth day."},{"start":360.79,"end":388.78,"text":"... ... ... ... ..."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with his aide Stephen B. 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