Conversation 394-021

TapeTape 394StartMonday, January 8, 1973 at 4:05 PMEndMonday, January 8, 1973 at 5:32 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Colson, Charles W.;  Ziegler, Ronald L.;  Kennedy, Richard T. (Col.);  [Unknown person(s)]Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On January 8, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, Ronald L. Ziegler, Col. Richard T. Kennedy, and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:05 pm to 5:32 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 394-021 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 394-21/395-1

Date: January 8, 1973
Time: Between 4:05 pm and 5:32 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Charles W. Colson and Ronald L. Ziegler.

       The President's interview with Helen Thomas and Fran Lewine
            -Comments on age
            -Publication date

       The President's schedule
            -Stephen B. Bull
            -Meetings
                  -George P. Shultz
                  -Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.
                  -Frederic V. Malek
                  -Shultz
                  -Publicity
                         -Possible photograph opportunity
                               -Timing
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                               -Ziegler's call to Shultz

       Wholesale price index
           -Briefing
                  -Ahalt Dawson [?]
           -Meeting
                  -Purpose
                        -Publicity
                        -Quadriad
                        -Camp David
                        -Photograph
           -Shultz's briefing

Ziegler left at 4:10 pm.

       Vietnam negotiations
            -Jay Lovestone
                  -Democrats
            -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
                  -Statement
                         -Opposition to the President
                         -Lovestone analysis
                         -Value to the President
            -The President’s critics
                  -Irresponsibility
                  -Democrats, Republicans
                  -Prolonging the war
            -Press relations
                  -Herbert G. Klein
                         -W. Ramsey Clark
                         -Civilian casualties
                               -Double standard
                               -Kidnappings, hospitals
                               -Atrocities
                                     -Chronology
            -The President’s schedule

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       The President's birthday
            -Interview
                  -Wire services
                  -Saul Pett
                  -Release
                  -Comments on age
                         -Congress
                         -Konrad Adenauer, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Winston S. Churchill, Gen.
                         Charles A.J.M deGaulle
                         -John B. Connally
                         -Spiro T. Agnew
                         -Eisenhower

       Book [?]
            -Evaluation
            -Medicines
            -Will to live
            -Heart disease, cancer
            -Christian Science

       Colson's White House responsibilities
            -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
            -1972 election
            -Plans for future
            -Running an operation
                  -Kenneth E. BeLieu
                  -Congressional relations
                  -Kenneth W. Clawson
                  -Al Abrams
                  -Counsellors
                         -Task force
                         -BeLieu
                  -Staffing
                  -Issues
                         -Frank L. Rizzo
                         -Busing
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      1972 election
           -Opposition to the President
                  -Establishment, press
           -The President’s standing
                  -Compared to George S. McGovern in polls
           -Pierre Salinger
                  -The President’s strategy
                        -Use of surrogates
           -McGovern’s campaign
           -May 8, 1972 decision

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      The President's second term
           -Goals
                 -Number
                 -Legislation
                 -Labor management
                 -Establishment
                        -Opposition
                 -Republican Party base
                 -Political goals
                        -McGovern
                              -Fundraising
                        -Committee for a Democratic Majority
                              -Beliefs
                              -Robert S. Strauss
                                    -Connally
                                    -McGovern
                                    -Conservative Democrats
                        -Connally and Lyndon B. Johnson
                              -Money

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                                   -Compared to the President

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       Government spending
            -David S. Broder
                 -View of spending
                 -Conservatives
                 -Patrick J. Buchanan
            -Colson’s theory
            -Busing
            -Congressional relations
                 -Republican majority
                 -Taxes
                 -Compared to administration position
                        -Less bureaucracy
                 -State interests
                 -Vietnam settlement
                 -Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty [SALT]
                 -Mutual and Balanced Force Reductions [MBFR]
                 -Exports
                 -Government’s role
                 -Revenue sharing

       Second term
            -Compared to first term
            -New prosperity
                  -Overspending by Congress
                        -Inflation
                        -Taxes
            -William E. Timmons
            -Colson's role
            -George H.W. Bush
                  -Access to Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Shultz
            -William J. Baroody, Jr.
                  -Recognition
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      -Clawson
           -Abilities
      -Colson's conversation with Haldeman
      -Colson’s schedule

Bombing of North Vietnam
    -Louis P. Harris
          -Public reaction
    -Past presidents
          -Public opinion
                 -1964
                 -1956
                 -Perspective
    -Support for the President
          -Opposition
          -Erosion
                 -Congress
    -Opposition reaction
          -Criticism of targets
                 -Hospital
                 -Carpet bombing
                 -Marshalling yards
                 -Military installations
                 -Airplane losses

Press relations
      -Press conference
             -Klein
             -Ehrlichman

Supreme Court
     -Ehrlichman
           -Possible future position
     -Potter Stewart
     -William H. Rehnquist
     -Stewart
           -"Georgetown Set"
     -Possible vacancies
     -William O. Douglas
           -Possibility of resignation
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           -Optimum age for appointment
           -Lewis F. Powell, Jr.
                -Resignation
           -Harry A. Blackmun
           -Warren E. Burger
                -Resignation
                -Earl Warren
           -Optimum age
                -The President's previous interview
                      -Rehnquist
                      -Hugo Black
                      -Powell
                      -Congress
                            -Bush
                            -William E. Brock III
                            -Clarence J. (“Bud”) Brown, Jr.
                            -Robert C. (“Bob”) Wilson
                            -Safe Republican districts
                            -Nelson A. Rockefeller
                            -Ronald W. Reagan

      Rockefeller
           -Proposed drug program
                  -Mandatory life sentences
           -Polling
                  -Harris
           -Taxes
           -Proposed drug and crime program

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           -Republican party in New York state
                -Spiro T. Agnew
                -Jacob K. Javits
                -Effect of the President’s victory in 1972 election
                      -Compared to California
                             -Reagan
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      1972 election
           -New York
                  -Final results
                        -Certification
           -New Majority
           -Illinois
                  -Gains in Republican Congressman
           -Ohio
           -Michigan
           -Fred Schwengel
                  -Daughter’s work for the President
                  -Personality

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      The President's Cabinet
           -Eisenhower’s Cabinet
           -Peter J. Brennan
           -Elliot L. Richardson
           -Earl L. Butz
           -Rogers C. B. Morton
           -Claude S. Brinegar
           -William P. Rogers
           -Richard G. Kleindienst
           -James T. Lynn
                 -Abilities
           -Caspar (“Cap”) W. Weinberger
           -Evaluation
                 -Intelligence
           -Kleindienst
                  -Compared to Richardson, Melvin R. Laird
                 -Class standing at Harvard University
           -Rogers
                 -[David] Kenneth Rush
           -Morton
           -Lynn
           -Brennan
                 -Education
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      Intelligence Quotient [IQ] tests
             -The President’s test in service
                  -Score
                  -Law school grades
             -Colson’s test in service
                  -Score
                  -Law school

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      Broadcasting licensing standards
           -The President's meeting with Ehrlichman
                  -Domestic Council
                  -Clay (“Tom”) Whitehead
                        -Statements
                        -Television [TV] license renewals
                        -Charles Crutchfield
                              -Presentation
                                    -Support for bill
                        -Speech
                              -Approval
                                    -Colson, Klein, Ehrlichman
                        -TV content
                              -Responsibility of broadcasters
           -Meeting with Whitehead, Klein, Ziegler
           -Congressional action
            -Bill
                  -Purpose
                  -Chance of passage
                  -Stability
                  -Responsibility
           -John W. Chancellor
           -Broadcaster’s program selection
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             -Klein
             -Ziegler
             -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
             -Klein
             -Ziegler
             -Cole
             -Robert A.Griffin
             -Brown
             -Neighborhood councils
             -Privacy considerations
             -Public opinion
                   -Administration position

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       John F. Kennedy
            -Length of time since death
            -Reputation
                  -Harris
                        -Ratings of Presidents
                  -Abraham Lincoln
                        -Martyrdom

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       1976 election
            -Agnew
                   -Connally
                   -Rockefeller
                   -South
                   -Primaries
            -Conservatives
                   -1972 election
            -Delegates

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The President talked with the White House operator at 5:25 pm.

[Conversation No. 394-21/395-1A]

[See Conversation No. 35-100]

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       White House operators

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       The President's birthday

Col. Richard T. Kennedy entered at 5:30 pm.

       The President's age
            -Service as Vice President

An unknown person entered at 5:30 pm.

       Food order

The unknown person left at an unknown time after 5:30 pm.

       Colson's age

Colson left at 5:32 pm.

       Reply to the President's letter to Chou En-Lai
            -Tone

       Henry A. Kissinger
            -Report on Vietnam negotiations
                 -Tone
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                -Camp David
                -The President’s warning

       Vietnam negotiations
            -North Vietnamese position
            -Timing of statements
                 -Kissinger
                 -Events of previous week
            -The President's expectations
                 -North Vietnam
                        -Tough stance
                        -Delaying tactics
            -Le Duc Tho
                 -Statement

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 5:32 pm.

       Food delivery

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 5:34 pm.

       Vietnam negotiations
            -Kissinger
            -The President's expectations
                  -U.S. position
                        -Liberal critics
                               -Effect
            -Kissinger’s view
                  -Bombing of North Vietnam
                        -Critics reaction
            -Narrowing of issues
                  -Protocol
            -William H. Sullivan
            -Kissinger
            -Last meeting
            -South Vietnamese position
                  -Nguyen Van Thieu
                        -Possible action
                               -Signing
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                  -Cease-fire
                  -Aid program
                        -Rebuilding
                  -US sincerity
                  -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin

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[See Conversation No. 395-1 for continuation.]

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

It's really much better to get it out that way than the brain.
Okay.
When will they run it?
Tomorrow?
They're going to date a break.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
But I hope we still find this tomorrow.
In-house people like Kim and Bill.
I'm talking about people like Kim and Bill and Alan and Addie.
And they are kind of there to see the other public side of things.
And also Schultz.
I'm starting to build up a great price point right now.
I'm going to look at you and choose the kind of cloth that I'm going to better recognize.
I'm going to make a picture of you soon.
I don't know what I'm going to do.
Anyway, I'm going to get a picture of you.
I'm just sitting there right now.
I've got that picture sitting here.
I wonder if he's showing me a chart.
He's got a very good chart.
I don't know if he's showing it.
I don't know if he's showing it.
I don't know if he's showing it.
I don't understand what you're saying.
What do you mean, what do you mean, what do you mean, what do you mean, what do you mean, what do you mean, what do you mean,
It's not a story.
So we're trying to get, we want to have a meeting in order to build up a story for later so that doesn't appear to just end all of a sudden.
Now that, that won't be a free ride or something.
I've been meeting on it for, after all that, I've been meeting on it for months, I've been on it for weeks actually.
So I just thought I'd just have a picture now, so they'll know that I'm, that my children's got a free ride.
We're, we're going to set up a license and we're going to get them.
But that's the only thing, the only person who knows.
You know what, my friend Jay Luskamp is the best name you can call him.
He doesn't even call me until we have a wedding.
I don't go to Democrats, do I?
The only other person who goes to me is Rachel on the main stage.
And she goes to me and says, Mr. Jackson, tell me, what other wedding have you been to?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
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... ... ... ... ... ...
Exactly.
I've actually looked on Twitter, and I'm sure James, I mean, the same analysis he gave me.
And we know that James spoke a lot of good words, particularly on his leadership.
I mean, I don't know what else to add.
That's it.
That is what I see.
And I know what I'm just getting at.
You know, it's like, you know, we're worried about what we're hearing from this moment, but I don't know what he's thinking.
So, you know, I guess the point is, that's, you know, that's what I'm going to do.
Thank you.
I don't know.
I will not say it at this point, because I don't want to waste any time.
I don't think it's better than the high-tech system.
I love it.
I don't think it's better than the high-tech system.
I love it.
I don't think it's better than the high-tech system.
I love it.
I don't believe there's any money else.
I've had it that way.
I've really just asked a question.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a, it's a, I can tell you.
No, no, I didn't want to know the check.
Yes, I did.
It's not so much how it works.
It's the main question.
It's done very well.
It gives it all the proper chronology.
It's not the address.
It's the order.
And it does the very best job.
It's the same.
It's the same.
It's the same.
It's the same.
It's the same.
I don't know.
I'm kidding myself.
I'll look for him in a moment so that I can concentrate on this.
I'm not going to follow either brains or this method until it's effective.
Incidentally, all of this is going to be good.
I think the right thing for you to do is to go ahead and find your name as well.
I understand that all of us have something different, but at least you can find your name.
I don't want to put you down on the ground.
What, how does that mean, in this case?
Water came in before, whatever, was that off the ground?
I don't know what it is, but it wasn't, you know, that doesn't, that doesn't go on the ground, does it?
Water came on it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We did it once again, but it doesn't happen every time.
Right.
Right.
I don't know what it was, but it wasn't.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Well, don't let it get you down.
We're all in.
I know it's tough.
We're all in.
We're not going to let it get us down.
The battle is a fight.
It's an hour.
It's a fight.
It's a little bit of a, you know, it is.
It was not that tough on the state.
When you race, they do.
The only thing I know is you drive.
The Grand Prix, I know you drive.
It's not enough.
That's probably a good thing, because the only one is in a great distance.
But there is one advantage, and all of us don't know, and there will be some doubts about it.
But there is one advantage, and all of us don't know,
As long as the trial is going on, we'll hire some people to go out there and talk to them.
They can hand off that trial and go to the country.
They're obviously going to bring the defendants.
And they're going to get them.
They're going to get them.
And a lot of this is going to come down to this.
This will delay the Congress.
Again, we're going to have to think about it.
We're going to have to think about this.
It's going to push for the president.
It's not going to be like that.
It's not going to be like this.
It's going to be like this.
But you know,
And they all undertook no interest.
Right?
So what is it?
I don't know.
We didn't get caught.
No, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
My question, my answer, my answer is certainly this.
After all, the man's wife is still got one child and has to bring them out.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
That's what we're doing.
As I said, some Americans have a different approach from some of the others down here.
You know what I mean?
And some of the others are actually just the same.
All right.
All right.
All right.
Well, because, uh, I'm playing in the water, and there's no one around me.
And the doctor is, uh, well, I agree with him, you know.
And I don't care what happens.
He's coming back to use me.
You know what I mean?
Well, what I want, of course, but I don't think that's going to happen here.
What I'm going to do is I can't curse.
That's what I'm going to do.
That's what I'm going to do.
My mom was in a discussion with her, and we were very friendly, and she said, that's it.
Or, you know, a good experience.
But, yeah, he's a friend of mine, and, you know, he's going to send a message to me, and he's going to send a message to me.
So, that's okay as long as he doesn't send one.
So, I think it's, you know, he's an ideal person, and that's what I think.
So, that's what I thought.
Yeah, he's a good person.
Well, this is the last day of 59.
That's what it is.
It's very important.
We're going to have that just in two hours.
So it's a good point.
We're going to have that.
We're going to have that.
We're going to have that.
We're going to have that.
So, if you're wired, you might as well follow the instructions.
I find out they're exceptional.
Well, how old should a president be?
I'm going to get to that.
For example, Churchill was 67.
He was a good man.
He was always saying, he was a good man.
He was a good man.
He was a good man.
That's what it means.
That's what it means.
That's what it means.
That's what it means.
That's what it means.
That's what it means.
That's what it means.
That's what it means.
That's what we're counting on.
That's what we're counting on.
That's what we're counting on.
That's what we're counting on.
I didn't finish.
It's only the first part.
It's the first reason.
The latter part is a bit more like medicine and so forth.
But the first part is great.
I don't know if it really is a good example.
I hope that I don't have to live in the life without this book.
And I'm really proud of this book.
And I hope you'll be open.
I should have told you that I lied to you.
You know, it was an addition to the first paper that you wrote about.
The time of the moment was about 6 o'clock in the morning, 3 o'clock in the morning.
And when I got to the bus, it was 3 o'clock in the morning.
It was 3 o'clock in the morning.
It was a practice.
It was only a practice.
It was only a practice.
But the thing is that I...
I think, you know, as a matter of fact, very tightly shared, you know, okay, frankly, you know, you should take on not the responsibility of this, but, you know, the plan for the future and all that.
You know, you should be able to run a big operation and roll it out of the way and get it out of the way.
That's why it's so important to us.
That's why it's so important to us.
That's the best way to improve the work.
I don't know how long I've been working on it.
I was working direct, sort of step aside.
The only thing is, I think this next, the next two months are going to be rather important in relation to the time.
The difficulty is, the main place, I don't know how to describe it, but it's
They all ate from the street.
They all ate from the street.
They all ate from the street.
They all ate from the street.
They all ate from the street.
They all ate from the street.
They all ate from the street.
I normally didn't have a wall there in the office.
It wasn't tall.
I don't believe you need that many of us.
I don't believe you need that many of us.
I don't believe you need that many of us.
I don't believe you need that many of us.
I'll take that at this time.
Yeah, well that's right.
Right now, we're moving to Canada.
Yeah, we're moving to Canada.
That's right.
We're working on Rizzo and, uh, and Bussing and, uh, and it was a hell of a job all the time.
You're watching it.
It was all, uh, it was a great deal of pride that, that I got, despite this enormous opposition.
We can, uh, establish the way that we can hold, hold, hold, and be very honest, right?
And, and, and, and,
I also realized myself as a Catholic in this place, but she's in, so that was, for me, was annoying for some time.
Thank you.
It's not just any building, it's building plus building.
I'm sorry, I don't want to answer your report, but I was looking for a government meeting and I'm glad you said it.
I'm very concerned about it.
It's how many of us we can't thank for this.
It's the best because it's exactly where we know we're going to be.
They must have, you know, the rest of the children, at least they didn't pull up and go to school.
And part of the difficulty was, that was a great, great challenge.
We need right now to set up our goals.
And so they, what they are and make them rather than one of the, you know, the normalizing that we fight for, we build for, and not spray our shots all over the place.
So I agree.
The other thing is legislation.
You know, we're going to have to, you know, spray this.
They need a lot of substance.
That's what I'm thinking about.
So if that doesn't work, and you set up a,
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I didn't read it, but he asked me to do it after he got up.
He asked me to do it after he got up.
I don't want to blame him.
I don't want to blame him.
I don't want to blame him.
I don't want to blame him.
I don't want to blame him.
And that's,
uh... uh...
It's gross.
This is what it is.
I don't know what it is.
I'm curious about the thing that makes you think of going to church.
Not only does it cost you your life, but it's worth it.
It's worth it.
It's worth it.
It's worth it.
It's worth it.
It's worth it.
It's worth it.
It's worth it.
I'm an expert on that sort of thing, and I go over it, and when I think of enforcement, I'm very much, you know, I'm a good one, and I want to hear one thing we can about physical things like this.
Like, if all you've got is one, that's pretty easy to do.
And I'm worried that this is the last thing I'm going to say.
And I'm desperate to go on with it.
I'm not satisfied.
You know, I'm not satisfied with what you're trying to say.
It's not anything like that.
You know, I don't have anything to argue with.
I'm just saying, you know, I'm not satisfied.
You know, I'm not satisfied with what you're trying to say.
You know, I'm not satisfied with what you're trying to say.
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He said, I don't know, I'm very, I hear one of the people that has it was out there, and they were struggling with the bussing.
The bussing is in the middle of the street, right out of the house.
Just hit the car, and he went, and that's what he did.
And that's what he did.
That's what he did.
And they went wild.
Wild.
Wild.
Wild.
Wild.
Wild.
Wild.
Wild.
Wild.
Wild.
Wild.
Wild.
Wild.
Wild.
Wild.
Wild.
Wild.
Wild.
Wild.
Wild.
Wild.
I mean, right, they can throw it.
They're both very, you know, the Congress wants more spending, more taxes, and they just don't agree with it.
And the next administration stands for, let's go to the Congress and do what it's supposed to do.
Don't argue with it.
Let's go to the Congress and do what it's supposed to do.
And let's go to the Congress and do what it's supposed to do.
Basically, that's what it was.
That's what it was.
You know, I didn't realize that every conference I was going to, I was going to have the public come to me.
I didn't realize what a crisis it was.
They're all the same.
They're all the same.
They're all the same.
They're all the same.
They're all the same.
They're all the same.
They're all the same.
But I think that just as important as running an election is getting the right to vote.
And that's the purpose.
Now that we've won the election, there's not going to be quite a fight on the federal beach.
What the hell are we going to do about it?
And you can think so much about the EMR and the police experts and just the parents and family members.
And maybe expand around the show, around the show.
I never thought I'd have sex with you, but I did have sex with you, and you related to me, and I'm proud of you, and I love you, and I love sex with you, and I appreciate that.
And the sight of you is more than a pleasure.
I'm proud of you, and the first time I met you, I mean, I couldn't, I couldn't allow it.
I was just saying, I don't know, that's a great, that's a great moment for me.
As well as what is behind it.
The only major, at this point, threat to our health and prosperity is Congress over Spain.
That's the major threat to our prosperity.
Right.
This request will be in question in a higher place than ever before.
All right.
All right, that's good.
You do what you feel is good.
I just, look.
All right.
Say what you're saying to me.
All right.
But I don't want to fight it.
You don't have the worst question in your mind.
Well, the thing you've got to do is do it so that you can leave it.
Leave something.
You know, whatever.
See, we've got to set it up so that we can place it so that we can work with you on the outside.
I mean, it doesn't work.
If we've got it, how am I going to push?
Push, we're going to have to get it together, right?
You've got to get it together.
You've got to get it together.
But you need to know one thing.
You've got to get it together.
You've got to get it together.
It's not necessary.
You've got to get it together.
And that's the main access.
Now, I'm glad we were able to get it together.
Yeah, I wish you would.
He's strong.
He's very, very strong.
Strong mind.
Yeah, strong mind.
Strong character.
That's not what I was thinking of.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I know he's in your daughter.
I know.
What do we mean by trust?
What do we mean by trust?
What do we mean by trust?
What do we mean by trust?
What do we mean by trust?
What do we mean by trust?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Now, I remember that you were saying before one time, and I guess before you dropped the book, since you wanted the book, and I'm very concerned about that.
Remember, when you dropped the book, six years ago, you were telling me, well, I'm sure you're going to get the book.
And I always kept a good sense of perspective about it, and I always said, well, I'm sure you're going to get the book.
But we still have 50.
That's pretty damn good, considering the augmentation we got.
We don't take our dollars out of the balance.
We have to come and pay for it.
And we're stuck here.
We're in a state of 100 or something.
You guys live right now.
And that's really what's going on right now.
The other morning, the first year, I was talking to the other audience.
I don't know what else you did, but I'm here.
We're caught on it now, and they say we're looking.
We're going to have to converse.
We're going to be able to take some blood.
We're going to carry it.
I write back at him, and he says, we haven't killed the fence.
I think he's mad.
Some of us are.
We always have those things going.
That's it.
That's it.
That's really what I just want to say.
They're going through a question, and it's death.
The institution and the practice doesn't have to die.
They don't have to die.
They don't have to die.
And they don't have to die.
They don't have to die.
They don't have to die.
They don't have to die.
Why are they just concerned about the bomb?
They shouldn't be.
They shouldn't be in the sense that they should be in the sense that they should be in the sense that they should be in the sense
Why'd you get my shot down?
Why'd you go up there?
You hit a truck?
Sure.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
There's both, Perry, Goldberg, Greenberg, and Sears.
There's a lot of things.
There's a lot of things.
There's a lot of things.
There's a lot of things.
There's a lot of things.
You know what I'm saying?
You know what I'm saying?
Well, he wouldn't have just taken that drug from her, would he?
He would not, you know, he's, he would have tested her with a surgery.
You see, I'm not the very kind of man who's honest with you.
You know, another, you know, way that he pulled it off.
What's this all about?
He wouldn't pick on the potter's board.
That's what I'm always talking about.
Right across the road from the potter's board, there's two questions.
What are they going to do?
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I never resigned.
I never resigned.
I never resigned.
I never resigned.
I never resigned.
I never resigned.
I'm going to relax a little bit.
But I'm hoping to do an undergrad with Paul.
Paul will bring the message to the time.
He would.
I mean, a year before the trip, so it's going to be a long time.
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying.
Mike.
Mike.
Very awesome.
Thank you.
Thank you.
There's a moment when somebody said, the body is polished, the body is solid.
And that's what's been there for a long time.
They're spiritual animals and tigers.
They also feel that bush, rock, and the ground.
They can feel it.
They can feel it.
They can feel it.
I'm glad to go out there.
I can do it.
I'm glad to go out there.
I'm glad to go out there.
I'm glad to go out there.
I'm glad to go out there.
I don't want to be a villain of the sacred home in this village.
I didn't work my way out of the church.
I'm not a villain.
I'm not a villain.
I'm not a villain.
I'm not a villain.
I'm not a villain.
I'm not a villain.
I'm not a villain.
He was on the right side of the line.
He was watching inside.
You guys can't go racing with this one.
You don't test it.
And I can promise you, you know, I don't tell the president, I don't tell the president, I don't tell the president, I don't tell the president,
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, there's a certain way that you're going to push down the highway.
You're going to have to push down the highway.
You're going to have to get somewhere.
You're going to have to get somewhere.
You're going to have to get somewhere.
You're going to have to get somewhere.
You're going to have to get somewhere.
You're going to have to get somewhere.
Well, it's nice to meet you in Ohio.
Except for the direction.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Well, I didn't think this was going to be a good idea.
Yeah, it's going to be a good idea.
It's going to be a good idea.
It's going to be a good idea.
It's going to be a good idea.
It's going to be a good idea.
It's going to be a good idea.
There was another friend who swam about, and his daughter's success was great.
Great, great.
And it didn't take too long.
It didn't take too long.
It didn't take too long.
I like friends.
Those friends of mine.
The daughter worked for us, you know, in my office.
But I don't know.
I'll tell you one thing.
I don't like blinders.
I don't like blinders and pictures.
So, I mean, I don't want to come in and say that the sun is shining and it's raining.
I'm not a realist, but it's one thing that I do not understand why you don't understand what's going on.
I know it's dangerous.
But, you know, I ain't going to drag it until it's on.
And we all, all of us together, both of our own patients, we'll get by somehow.
And our kids, they're hurting.
And Mark?
Yeah, I agree.
All right.
I don't like how you look, but it's okay.
It's okay.
You're a good boy.
You're a good boy.
You're a good boy.
You're a good boy.
You're a good boy.
You're a good boy.
You're a good boy.
I don't know.
I don't know.
uh... uh... uh... uh... uh...
He doesn't have that kind of education, but granted, if he did, he'd have the opportunity for education, but as far as I'm concerned, he doesn't.
You know, I can tell about that, and I'd like to do my own part of it, but he doesn't have that kind of education.
But, uh, he must have had a lot of experience, but, uh, he doesn't have that kind of education.
I don't know.
Well, you know, I had a very important break.
I was very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,
I did well enough, well enough to consider a program called the State of Washington, the intelligence program, where I had to go to the center of the United States of America.
I had to go to the center of the United States of America.
If I didn't get it, if I hadn't had that opportunity,
I probably would have gotten 10 or more points higher.
Right?
I didn't put my motivation on it.
Because if I had the best grades, for example, then what I would have done in the course of the course of the course of the course of the course of the course of the course
I ended up in some law firm, you know, and they shot me, sir, and they shot me.
That's the thing.
That's the thing.
That's the thing.
That's the thing.
That's the thing.
That's the thing.
That's the thing.
That's the thing.
That's the thing.
That's the thing.
What happened to the other person first?
I wanted to get away from the mission, but I decided to stay away from it for a minute and a half.
Then I got up and I said to myself, this is the place where I want to be.
This is where I want to be.
And I said to myself, this is where I want to be.
And I said to myself, this is where I want to be.
And I said to myself, this is where I want to be.
And I said to myself, this is where I want to be.
Oh, shoot.
Well, oh, the question.
The mouse will drive.
So, wait.
The brain...
Incidentally, tell me that this morning, I just had a request to be raised by a really important person, Mr. Mr. Knox, who said that this is a very important issue.
I thought the way in that I said that about Mr. Knox, and so on, what I am going to do is I'm going to take that request and I'm going to use it.
I take that request and I'm going to arrest him.
I'm going to take that request and I'm going to...
So, can I say, from the left to the right, I'm not a columnist, I'm not a journalist, I'm not a journalist, I'm not a journalist, I'm not a journalist, I'm not a journalist, I'm not a journalist, I'm not a journalist, I'm not a journalist, I'm not a journalist, I'm not a journalist, I'm not a journalist, I'm not a journalist, I'm not a journalist,
Listen, I've been raised to the point that I'm sorry to take away from you.
Okay, yeah, there he goes.
I'm Ronnie, just like I said.
I'm trying to help you get away from the situation.
I'm so sorry.
That was my question.
Are you sure you're a bad boy?
I said, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I just don't want that.
I don't want to put you in a situation where we fight a battle with people who don't want to fight.
There are people who are playing the battle more in the States than that.
Right, right.
But we have a concern for the station on the other side.
Well, why didn't it just go up and tell them to go?
No, sir.
He said in his speech that he never implied that I would do it.
But they wouldn't do it.
They don't.
I think.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The same applies, you know, my dad has been living homeless for a long period of time.
And we were trying to get him to go to some other place and pray for him.
And he said, he said, you know, I'm obsessed with it.
And he was like, well, he does.
And he said, hey, that works.
And that works.
And that works.
And that works.
And that works.
And that works.
I mean, so
Then they go out and they act like we're harassing them.
They're trying to, we're not trying to harass them.
This is something that the Congress is not going to do.
Yeah, what will be the answer to the Congress' questions?
Well, I think, yeah, there's a problem with that.
I don't think it's true, but we have a reason why we're suppressing this.
They're going to do it.
They're really going to do it.
They're going to do it.
I guess the point is that that guy that took the cross came across the road and said, the back of the hill has one that does provide for a walkway, right?
And the station on the scene address, you know, this is the hill.
In the boat, the ship went south.
In fact, what I explained to them, I tried to hold it, but they had to force it on us.
They were asking us to come here and probably have something to do with the outfit.
So, of course, we have the lesson.
We should.
No, but seriously, that's what they were trying to do.
They were trying to give the horse the boat, and that's what they wanted.
Now, if they didn't have the horse, the horse, the boat, they added another chest and got rid of this last boat.
We can't sell them to certain companies.
We have to balance our interests.
We're working to balance our program.
We've got to put it on the right place.
We've got to put it on the right place.
We've got to put it on the right place.
We've got to put it on the right place.
We have to put it on the right place.
We have to put it on the right place.
I don't know about that.
But we still, I was able to see it.
It was great.
It was great.
We read it.
And it was important.
And I know it's important to get involved and important to tell the story.
Because that's what we did.
And of course, when they started screaming, we started screaming.
Well, we can't drop it.
We can't drop it.
That was really exciting.
That was really exciting.
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What we're getting now is that most of us, uh, have to be more than 100 times the same for a lot of things, except for Jim and the administration of the United States.
And just using this as an example, we're quite uncertain about, uh, you know, whether we're going to be able to do this or whether we're going to be able to do this.
It's exactly, uh, great to be able to do this.
But I just wanted to show her up on the ground.
I'm going to get some soldiers behind us.
I'm trying to look at my notes, but I'm not going to do it.
I'm glad that every guy can get a question from the president.
But that's the only thing that matters to me.
I don't know what to do.
but it's, but it's not going to happen.
You know, it's not going to happen.
You know, it's not going to happen.
You know, it's not going to happen.
It's not going to happen.
I wrote a little note to him.
Yes, what did you write to him?
I wrote a little note to him.
I wrote a little note to him.
I wrote a little note to him.
I wrote a little note to him.
I wrote a little note to him.
I wrote a little note to him.
I don't know what it means, doesn't it?
You know?
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Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
But that's what we have.
I'm afraid, but we're just going to see what he wants to do.
I just want to hear the strength of the doctor.
I just want to hear his voice.
I just want to hear his voice.
I just want to hear his voice.
Okay.
Don't we gotta think or judge before they go on and on and on?
Like Blake just said, I don't think it's important.
I don't think it's important.
Well, it's not important, but like you said, I think by the management, by the official, it's great, great, uh, taking some time to do that, taking time to discuss the process for the conference.
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There hasn't been any outbreak about whether they're guilty or not.
There was a lot of outbreak about the Congress, mentally about civil rights.
The Congress was working in this nation while they were still divided.
That's why the court proceeding hasn't been handed.
As long as the court proceeding is on,
The partnership keepers got their hands on it.
Well, I think some of our guys are very good.
They've got to stick to it.
They've got to know it.
They've got to know it.
I think they've been relatively sound on this.
That's just the book.
It's not the book.
There are times you've got to get some of the money.
But, you know, the management is not going to help you on this.
You know, it doesn't matter.
You've got to watch out for that.
What was it?
What's that letter?
I don't know.
At least, I think, at least, frankly, I think they got the most out of it.
It was kind of a warning.
And then, you know, I think the timing of that is more good.
But that's one of those things, you know, the stress, what I don't know if it's the stress or the pressure.
Yeah, unfortunately.
I don't understand.
Okay.
I'm not going to hide it.
That's what has to happen.
I'm going to make a decision.
I'm still here.
I'm going to make some money.
And I'm going to make some money.
I'm going to set a proposition.
Oh, I'm not going to lie.
But what I did, what I'm going to do, I'm going to make some sense of it.
I'm going to have a business.
I'm going to make some money.
I'm going to make some money.
I'm going to make some money.
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So you don't do that.
You don't do that.
You don't do that.
You don't do that.
You don't do that.
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I read that one chapter
You may be destroyed before it gets off the ground, Chuck.
Yeah, I think so.
Well, it's about time to see.
It's almost 10 years.
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The only one that is an aberration is Canada, which still is a high percentage of all accounts.
But you've got a rating that's on 400 or something.
That would be good.
That would be good.
That would be good.
That would be good.
That would be good.
Thank you.
The first thing that would start, I think, is the sound thing.
You just get the sound.
You get the sound.
You get the sound.
That's one of those other things.
The nomination.
The nomination.
The nomination.
The nomination.
The nomination.
The nomination.
The nomination.
Yes, I'm going to put your name in.
I think Rockefeller has money.
Well, that's how you do it.
You have money, too.
Well, that's Rockefeller.
You're welcome.
That's Rockefeller.
That's what he did.
Oh, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
The way that works out, the conservatives want to have a place where they can have a place where they can have a place where they can have a place where they can have a place where they can
Let me tell you one thing.
What do you think this is for?
The question is, when we're not careful to say, we have a belief, it's a doubt, it's a belief, it's a fire, it's a doubt, it's a belief.
It's tough, I feel a bit like that, to say I was able to do it, to say I'm early, I can do it.
Well, I don't want to, but I just say, just forget to be here with Bill and the other guys.
They're going to play for keeps.
There's another thing that has to be done, too.
That is, if we get really, if we're going this road, I don't want to do this.
The court proceeding is my last course.
It has to be honored.
The time is good, though.
Then I think we've got to agree to it.
Well, I don't know.
I just don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
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But let me say, having that in mind...
Although it would be better if it did not happen.
Knowing Justin, I wonder if he actually is serving people or if he goes around and talks to them and says, why don't you get a relationship with me?
I said, if you get a job, why don't you get a job?
Even so, he has a regardless.
He doesn't have to do this.
If someone goes to Justin, he does it.
Of course, he says it because he's a good mom.
But how do you know that?
Do you know the way?
Do you know it?
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I mean, if a servant will say, now look here, what the hell is he talking about here?
Is it fresh off our country?
I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty,
Let's go ahead.
We've got a few covers.
Sit down.
Thank you, sir.
Good luck.
Thank you, sir.
If I don't see you, if you ever want to be sexy, why should I have to?
They just realize that you're getting a banana to be damn old.
I don't need to look at anything.
Are you 42 now?
41.
41?
I was 41.
I was the biggest boy.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
What was, uh...
Your evaluation of Henry is pretty important.
I think it's about what I would respect, uh, what, uh, what I would gather from this comment is very important.
No, I didn't think so, sir.
I heard Henry is so mercurial.
They, uh, remember that series when we were in Canada?
They were the hell we went through.
But, uh, I, I, a warning before we went, I said, I, I was, uh, I was, uh, I was, uh, I was, uh, I was, uh,
Thank you.
I'm a person of disability, my view, and I don't believe it does.
I, uh, you may have to say so if I'm wrong.
It's a big topic later, but it's very important.
But basically, an argument that needs to be read and spoken at a time, and if it's not going to be settled, well, nothing's going to be changed, but there's nothing more we can do to make them settle, in my opinion.
But, uh, is that your view, or how do you, how does this apply to you?
Well, I think what Henry, Henry Wright is concerned, that from time to time,
Statements come at just the wrong time.
For the long term, they're basic decisions.
I would doubt that they have any influence at all.
But they may well come at just the point when they're wavering, shall we go fast or shall we drag our feet over the wire and see what materializes.
No circumstance is possible that statements couldn't enforce them.
say, well, let's wait another week or two and see what happens.
That's what we're going to do.
I think that's what we're going to do.
Yeah, yeah.
All the things that happened last week were based on this first base conversation.
I personally was confused at whatever they were going to do.
They were playing fairly hard in the first day.
whether they would sit down and just storm off.
They do, I think, if NAMs get up there, they would cry.
But he can tell us the second day.
I'm sure he'll have it.
He says that he'll tell us that he'll come back tomorrow and talk about the heart issues.
And their response tomorrow
They're stating that their views would take them on what they think they already do today.
Now, I don't know what that means.
It's very hard to say whether that means they're going to, I think I tend to take that a bit optimistically.
If they, for example, if they, like I say that because, if they, if they want to come in tomorrow and stone them and say, you heard what I said,
We have nothing new to say.
Why would they?
Why would they?
At this point, why would you say that?
We will take care of what you just said today.
We can't really say now that we haven't put a shot across the valley.
They're saying they may be starting to know that they're going to call for us to do it again.
But on the other hand, they may be doing it.
See, that's one place where our liberal leaders want us to do it.
that I, that I used their direction, and I'm very responsible, and I didn't do the goddamn wrong thing that I wanted to do.
And I hope, that's why I don't mind the writing of that suit.
Like, I was thinking about this this morning, I was thinking about the idea that for a man to live a political life, or a moral life, to sit back and be accused of having one word with people, and remaining alone and solitary, and refusing to install it on you, must be very difficult to do.
On the other hand, precisely the sort of thing that is now, I think, pressing, I think, pressing the other side.
If you're willing to do that, if you're willing to take that kind of political piece, then the inherent questions with which you're looking at this issue must be understood.
That may well mean a lot of things.
I thought it was interesting that
And I thought they were a little less, perhaps, vigorous in their polemics over the line.
And I thought, maybe they just didn't want to show that.
They've narrowed down now to what are
are hard issues and relate, essentially, to the main political questions that we were going to go around.
And that was unheard of back in December.
They laid out protocols that were absurd on their face.
But they're going to work.
They're going to have to work seriously.
So there is all these very hard issues.
I think Henry realizes that at this time.
As a matter of fact, he's been in the White House the last nine years.
The last nine years.
He knows this is the last.
Well, if they know it's the last, there's no way to pull off a terrible war.
but we've also had some more of his opponents grabbing on to choose to get the floor down, which indicates that he's still moving down that track and coming closer to the point of saying, I'll go along.
He may be thinking of that link that we talked about in Bayford a long time ago, the fact that he would, instead of signing the agreement,
He was simply making a statement that South Vietnam will implement all the terms of the agreement.
We can get him out of this problem of signing something recognizing that he's not a Jew.
But come on, we'll wait and see.
We'll wait and see.
We'll wait and see.
We'll wait and see.
We'll wait and see.
I don't know whether this is real or whether it's hard to accept that.
Well, it depends, you know, how much they want.
They want to agree with us, and they want us to get us out of there.
And also, they want us to inspire them.
They may want us to inspire them on this thing that's going to happen.
You would also get them that aid program.
A lot of it.
After all this time, they've just made a decision.
I'm not sure that they realize this matter.
What time will you get the report tomorrow?
Well, I want to tell you that I'm very good at guessing because I've never seen a picture of a man with a gun.
Yes.
Well, it's really good to know.