Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 395 › Conversation 395-008

Nixon & Haldeman on White House administration and Public relations

Wednesday, January 10, 1973 · 3:41 PM–3:46 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 6 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Conversation395-008 on Tape 395StartWednesday, January 10, 1973 at 3:41 PMEndWednesday, January 10, 1973 at 3:46 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 395-008 ↗

President Nixon and H.R. Haldeman discuss administrative concerns, scheduling, and the strategic importance of controlling the administration's public narrative. The conversation touches on staffing challenges regarding legal personnel and the difficulty of managing expectations when engaging with the press. Nixon emphasizes the necessity for the White House to maintain a proactive stance and be the first to speak on official matters to ensure the administration's position is clearly understood by the American public.

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We will probably get that report.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
What about the schedule?
Thank you.
But like, either that or I'm sorry, the whole process.
Well, let me say that in view of that fact, perhaps you could anticipate that it went on.
I do keep, as told to Kennedy, we've got the damn reporters, and there's a great period here now, and we've got three hundred and one.
So I'm much more than happy.
You checked with, uh, with the, uh, MSL as the people you used?
Yeah.
Yeah, so, so that's here.
So you can get a hold of Dave from your name on the line office here.
So, because I want to discuss that procedure with you.
Now, I'm concerned about how you work it out, but the more I think about it, the, uh, I don't know what the word is, but, uh,
I have not seen Bob Howell.
I told you this.
I couldn't see him, but I have not seen Howell.
He goes quite often.
There, in the show, he drinks.
Then, coming back here, I had to get past that fellow.
Then I had to go somewhere where he had to come back with nothing.
To take my point, I mean, what the hell am I announcing?
The word of the author there, Greg, I agree.
But the question is, what purpose?
Well, that was to say that we're sublimely agreeable here in the order of the American people.
Absolutely.
I think we have to be in a position to speak first.
This is very important.
But are you sure not concerned?
I went over this.
Did you ever go over this?
This may not be a workable thesis, I don't know.
I don't really think it would go on for a long time.
You know what I mean?
You never get that.
If it stuck, that would be me for a reason.
It would be the leaders.
But, to the question of the way that all these people, the other people who want to say what they're doing, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
That needs to be done sometimes.
It is initially a few grams.
It basically is a few grams.
And I think that's what he intends.
That's the whole purpose of it.
Because they want to go there and so on.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
It's a real problem, right?
It's a real problem.
There are older lawyers who work for a government.
They don't do it for law firms.
And it's a very deep, bloody matter.
And it's not a good matter.
A young guy is kind of a rancid guy.
It's very hard to put an older man, a younger guy, in a position like that.
But I appreciate it.
It's great all the time.
Thank you.

On January 10, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:41 pm to 3:46 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 395-008 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 395-8

Date: January 10, 1973
Time: Between 3:41 pm and 3:46 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

[See Conversation No. 35-123]
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
  • 035-122 3:34 PM · 56 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Col. Richard T. Kennedy talked on the telephone from 3:34 pm to 3:35 pm.
  • 395-006 3:34 PM · 55 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Col. Richard T. Kennedy met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:34 pm to 3:35 pm.
  • 395-007 3:35 PM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and Melvin R. Laird met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:35 pm and 3:41 pm.
  • 035-123 3:41 PM · 6 min — H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone from 3:41 pm to 3:46 pm.
  • 395-009 3:46 PM · 26 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:46 pm and 3:49 pm.
  • 395-010 3:46 PM · 41 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, unknown person(s), and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:46 pm and 3:49 pm.
  • 035-124 3:49 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Dan Rowan, and Dick Martin talked on the telephone from 3:49 pm to 3:50 pm.
  • 395-011 3:49 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Dan Rowan, and Dick Martin met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:49 pm to 3:50 pm.

Conversation 395-008, January 10, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/395-008 (accessed October 11, 2026).