Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 395-013
Date: Wednesday, January 10, 1973 at 4:11 PM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")
Recording device: Old Executive Office Building
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/395-013

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[0:00] I was on his way out and I wanted to talk to him.
[0:11] I talked to him.
[0:13] He said about the appointment.
[0:20] Yup.
[0:21] Especially the justice one, because he feels it.
[0:22] Well, let him sit down and talk to him.
[0:26] He can't do that.
[0:26] I can.
[0:27] Because he had to do it today.
[0:34] He had to set up.
[0:35] He's concerned about, because he's been asking about justice combinations in a package with the rest of the room.
[0:43] The right number is not quite as important in my study.
[0:45] I don't know if you know what I'm talking about.
[0:49] I just, you know, I want to do it.
[0:58] I just don't wait and see.
[1:03] But there's no argument about it.
[1:06] You know, I don't, I'm not arguing.
[1:08] I don't want to ask.
[1:10] I've seen it a couple of times.
[1:11] I've seen a couple of interesting questions.
[1:13] I've seen it a couple of times.
[1:15] I've seen it a couple of times.
[1:16] I've seen it a couple of times.
[1:17] I've seen it a couple of times.
[1:19] He said, sure, you'll send a signal to about 200 professors.
[1:29] It's not the civil rights field that's upset.
[1:32] It's not our races.
[1:34] It's only the academics.
[1:38] And they're upset because of this quarter of the universities which we're driving against.
[1:43] I know, but I'm against it.
[1:46] I mean, I don't know why we are campaigning for such a system.
[1:50] I don't care.
[1:50] I just thought they were making a name for the University of California.
[1:52] It's true about it.
[1:53] It's kind of sick there.
[1:55] They have to hire all the black secretaries this year, I've heard.
[2:04] Well, now, that order is going to be changed.
[2:08] John changed the order.
[2:09] At John's point, he said, if you want to send the right signal, change the executive order.
[2:13] Don't keep Pops here.
[2:14] I don't know if Pops here is a guy who was carrying out an order.
[2:17] It's not going to happen.
[2:18] Well, why don't you get a hold of John and tell him that I have the order changed?
[2:23] I think that's going to be a highly, highly, highly big deal.
[2:25] I don't know why in the hell we ever issued such an order.
[2:38] That's one of the things that struck by when I was busy in the campaign.
[2:42] But you see what it is.
[2:43] And that's the reason.
[2:45] I mean, six months ago, what I mean is that we would campaign for the real money.
[2:47] Why is it the kind of thing where I have to defend myself for whatever reason?
[2:49] I don't even know whether it's some order to...
[2:50] I would never sign a court opinion if I'd ever known I was signing.
[2:53] See?
[2:53] I've never got a hold of the court.
[2:54] I've never had one.
[2:57] Let's get off before they kick.
[3:21] Let's see if we can.
[3:32] If you're lying to me...
[4:13] I'm not going to put it on there.
[4:21] And it's a good thing.
[4:23] And it's a good thing.
[4:23] We've got a pretty good America.
[4:24] We've got a pretty good America.
[4:27] We've got a pretty good America.
[4:42] That's fine.
[4:45] You can go to Hannah.
[4:53] I asked her if I could give one back.
[4:55] You can give a follow-up, are you?
[4:55] A follow-up, are you?
[4:56] The ones I gave him, I can't think of.
[5:02] I have a purchase.
[5:02] $2.
[5:02] That's correct.
[5:04] Apparently, that's good.
[5:06] I don't know.
[5:06] You know, the way it is, you know, you don't see it, but it doesn't get registered in your name.
[5:59] Well, instead of fighting the White House, it's not just discipline.
[6:26] It's not the police.
[6:30] Well, that still isn't going to happen.
[6:46] Yeah.
[6:46] I don't know if that's...
[6:47] If it was any good, we'd have to resolve it more than that.
[6:56] I don't know if it was for aid, but we'll have to see.
[6:57] More than any aid?
[6:58] An aid?
[6:59] Yeah.
[6:59] I don't see any reason for having to be here.
[7:17] The whole point is, the point is that there's a difference between what was really wrong.
[7:24] Before I was saying this,
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[8:08] Look, I don't want John to be worried about anything.
[8:19] Let me stay on the web street.
[8:37] uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
[9:03] The more I think about it, I think we could do much to the old people.
[9:13] I know this isn't a topic, but it's a good one.
[9:18] Because as I recall, he had a similar experience.
[9:24] And I think that's a good question for him.
[9:27] Thank you.
[9:28] Thank you very much.
[9:34] But I remember this one time, I guess it was just a question of the day.
[9:55] I don't know if that's a good answer.
[9:56] But we could see this was the final shot.
[9:58] And I said, let me tell you this, let me tell you this, let me tell you this, let me tell you this,
[10:02] Anybody that I put in that position, they will destroy it.
[10:20] You know, it's a case of success.
[10:21] I think I've got to find my successor.
[10:22] I've got to work.
[10:23] You know, I've got to work.
[10:25] And of course, I've got to work.
[10:30] I've got to work.
[10:31] I've got to work.
[10:31] I've got to work.
[10:32] I've got to work.
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[11:00] Thank you.
[11:33] You know, I think that's really something.
[11:53] I guess it's really just a question.
[11:56] You know, you said, what do you call it?
[11:59] Don't you know what you call it?
[12:04] I just the National Security Council job.
[12:19] And I just think that I think you could make me at the White House, basically.
[12:33] But I'm also going to have to control the fact that Johnson's going to have a lot of political stress.
[12:41] That's what we have to deal with.