Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 395-025
Date: Friday, January 12, 1973 at 9:23 AM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.; Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Woods, Rose Mary
Recording device: Old Executive Office Building
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/395-025

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[0:01] What he was saying is that, uh, on the, is that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, General Haig will be returning on, uh, on the front.
[0:29] don't blame them on something that went into the video.
[0:49] And we'll refer to the president.
[0:50] Dr. Fisher will be returning to Paris on the 23rd to continue the negotiations on several of the sections.
[0:52] Thank you for your time.
[0:52] Why don't you return to Paris?
[0:53] The president's been on his report for a long time.
[0:54] He's got a serious problem.
[0:55] Do you have a question?
[0:56] Yeah.
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[1:19] Yeah.
[1:23] No, I wouldn't say that.
[1:47] Don't say that about me.
[1:54] we can say that, uh, complete negotiations on some of the, uh, complete negotiations on some of the technical details of the hearing.
[2:14] Does this mean that this is the last meeting, gentlemen?
[2:17] It depends on what the details are.
[2:18] It depends on the attitude of the other side.
[2:21] You got any questions?
[2:22] Thank you.
[2:34] But Henry was going back to make the grave this week, which is wrong, another thing.
[2:48] He would go back and also have his line on it, which is a really long summary of it.
[2:54] But you see what I mean, Kyle?
[2:55] Sure, I think that answers Henry's problem.
[2:57] It answers the problem.
[2:57] And it's going to be even if you agree to go.
[2:58] I'm not going to go.
[3:00] I'm just going to go.
[3:01] Until this does that, that is an issue.
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[3:34] Well, of course.
[3:41] Of course, if he does, he wants to cut back.
[3:47] That's what's going to happen.
[3:49] That's what's going to happen.
[3:50] If you want to make a joint announcement on the 18th, then they make a joint announcement.
[3:56] You understand?
[3:56] And I don't make an announcement on the 18th on the 13th.
[3:58] I cannot make an announcement on the 18th on the 13th and then go on on the 23rd.
[4:00] I don't know.
[4:00] That's what you should do.
[4:02] That's what you should do.
[4:03] You should only do an academic joint announcement after the next edition.
[4:24] There's one piece.
[4:25] They're all set.
[4:25] I mean, there's hundreds, if not thousands, of letters in this book.
[4:27] It's a huge piece.
[4:27] So you see, it says, so, in two, three years, we will very much want to have it.
[4:29] We need to have it.
[4:29] We need to have it.
[4:30] But before Henry goes to the third science, we've got that one piece.
[4:31] Of course, that's what he owes you.
[4:32] That's what he's going to be asking you.
[4:34] What happened then?
[4:42] He said, even that is handled physically.
[4:52] I said, even that?
[4:53] He goes on and on.
[4:53] He doesn't drink enough that you can go out.
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[5:23] Thank you.
[5:51] Thank you.
[5:51] Thank you.
[5:51] Thank you.
[5:52] I don't understand.
[6:18] Many of them go wrong at this point.
[6:18] Many of them go wrong, and after the third is perhaps they can come back.
[6:20] uh, because that is kind of the purpose of it, so it's not that hard to get, uh, to the country, trying to bring a problem on the earth, and you, yourself, and the society, and then reverse it to the government, so they don't, or they just, uh, immediately, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know,
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[7:17] It's not what it is, sir.
[7:26] It's not what it is, sir.
[7:28] But I suppose it is, sir.
[7:29] You're still there, aren't you?
[7:30] We did it just for the sake of getting up to the wire.
[7:34] I'm glad you're still here.
[7:34] You're being a basis.
[7:36] but if you come next to a place that you're not going to be able to do that, nothing should be done.
[7:59] You're definitely not going to be able to do that.
[8:00] You're definitely not going to be able to do that.
[8:01] You're definitely not going to be able to do that.
[8:02] But don't worry.
[8:02] You're not going to be able to do that.
[8:03] These problems and threats are often so strong
[8:06] All right.
[8:18] All right.
[8:25] All right.
[8:28] Thank you.
[8:40] They don't want them to come off.
[8:59] They don't want them to come off.
[9:03] And they wish against both of us to come off.
[9:08] They don't want to.
[9:10] His last call, his last assignment.
[9:15] Okay, they're incredibly good for Moscow, so we've learned a little bit about them here, but...
[9:29] Okay, if that's the motivation, then they've got to leave this part.
[9:30] He's come up right now and said he's got a great group of members.
[9:31] First of all, because he knows that's the one that's going to have school.
[9:34] And secondly, because it's listening on the record for this group to do it.
[9:36] He is so generous about it.
[9:37] Ron, you're welcome on the question.
[9:38] I don't know.
[9:59] And another guy in the field where he's going.
[10:03] He's going to talk about how long he's going to be there.
[10:04] Apparently he's going to.
[10:05] I think that he's going to.
[10:06] I think that he's going to.
[10:06] I don't know.
[10:06] I don't know.
[10:07] I don't know.
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[10:59] They've got to take it out and put it up.
[11:17] They've got to take it out and put it up.
[11:24] They've got to take it out and put it up.
[11:24] They've got to take it out and put it up.
[11:25] They've got to take it out and put it up.
[11:26] They've got to take it out and put it up.
[11:27] They've got to take it out and put it up.
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[12:30] Thank you.
[12:55] I personally don't think that's what we should be doing.
[13:17] I think that's what we should be doing.
[13:17] I don't think that's what we should be doing.
[13:18] I don't think that's what we should be doing.
[13:19] Yeah.
[13:31] Yeah.
[13:38] Yeah.
[13:46] Yeah.
[13:48] Yeah.
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[14:20] Now, the plan that told me to go was at the center.
[14:43] And I was going to say to him, he was going along.
[14:46] I was saying to him, what's he going there for?
[14:48] He was waiting for me to talk to him.
[14:48] I don't know.
[14:51] I don't want to do that.
[15:23] But I also want to be certain that there is a place that I can ask for help.
[15:46] So that's the way it's going to work.
[15:47] And then at the end of the day, I'm going to hold you in the moment.
[15:48] And then I'm going to try to get your attention.
[15:49] And then I'm going to try to get your attention.
[15:50] And then I'm going to try to get your attention.
[15:51] And then I'm going to try to get your attention.
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[16:26] You know that, don't you?
[16:49] It's an irony.
[16:49] It puts you out.
[16:49] And it's funny.
[16:50] It's a good thing.
[16:50] It's a good thing.
[16:50] It's a good thing.
[16:51] It's a good thing.
[16:51] It's a good thing.
[16:52] It's a good thing.
[16:52] It's a good thing.
[16:52] It's a good thing.
[17:02] I'm going to do something.
[17:28] I'm going to do something.
[17:28] I'm going to do something.
[17:29] I'm going to do something.
[17:30] I'm going to do something.
[17:30] Everybody's ready to get outside, except the rabbit, you know, the mom, the daughter.
[17:56] But even those parents, even though they can't go that way, if you push it up, the mom is going to say, just make the hole.
[17:58] I don't think you're going to have no matter what.
[18:00] They pray that we live in a better future, and they pray that we live in a better future.
[18:27] They pray that we live in a better future.
[18:28] They pray that we live in a better future.
[18:29] They pray that we live in a better future.
[18:30] I don't know if you've got that.
[18:56] Okay.
[19:19] Okay.
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[19:53] I'm very, very, very, very, very, very, very,
[20:22] It is the same discussion.
[20:37] The discussion in which we get paid is destroying the chance for achieving peace.
[20:47] The effect is on us.
[20:47] The effect is on us.
[20:49] Therefore, if you hear this,
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[21:45] Thank you.
[22:10] Thank you.
[22:12] And the responsibility.
[22:32] Because the credit is down.
[22:35] I didn't expect them to do it.
[22:59] The way it surprised me, I'm saying, I didn't expect them to do it.
[23:00] Dave Parkinson was not here at all.
[23:22] He was just passing stuff.
[23:23] He was just passing paint darts.
[23:23] Whenever I was in here, I was straight past him.
[23:24] I said, why are you looking for that?
[23:25] He said, yesterday afternoon, he handed me a board.
[23:26] I said, I don't know.
[23:27] I don't know.
[23:27] I don't know.
[23:27] I don't know.
[23:27] I don't know.
[23:28] I don't know.
[23:28] But are you going, because it's not done yet, to get out and stand up?
[23:52] You don't just stand here that you're important.
[23:53] Let's get outside and get some support and some backing.
[23:54] For a change?
[23:54] For a change, yeah.
[23:54] So you don't just support it in here.
[23:55] You don't want to support it.
[23:56] That's right.
[23:56] I'm very concerned.
[23:57] I'm very concerned.
[23:57] I'm very concerned.
[23:57] I'm very concerned.
[23:59] All right.
[24:25] Yeah.
[24:25] Yeah.
[24:25] Yeah.
[24:25] Yeah.
[24:26] Yeah.
[24:26] Yeah.
[24:46] I said, are you?
[25:01] I said, well, we're working on it.
[25:05] I said, we're working on it.
[25:06] I said, we're working on it.
[25:09] I said, we're working on it.
[25:10] I said, we're working on it.
[25:11] I said, we're working on it.
[25:11] I said, we're working on it.
[25:13] I said, we're working on it.
[25:15] I said, we're working on it.
[25:16] You should tell your wife, nothing.
[25:20] You should tell your kids, nothing.
[25:23] You should tell everyone, nothing.
[25:23] You should tell your secretary, nothing.
[25:25] You should tell your aide, nothing.
[25:27] Just kind of stay home and do a goddamn thing.
[25:45] Alex doesn't know anything.
[25:45] But you've got to write about what you can tell your wife and kids and other things that are sort of only the same stories after the fact.
[25:48] That's the thing that you don't care if it gets out or you want it out.
[25:50] It doesn't matter if it doesn't get out.
[25:50] But it's interesting.
[25:51] There's plenty of interesting things that are really helpful in the events of the series.
[25:53] And it is very nice.
[25:53] It's very useful, especially for your wife.
[25:54] just because they aren't fully seen as efficient and concerned about what they can and can't say.
[26:15] But whenever these boys come to me, they say, well, you just don't want to try that.
[26:16] Well, you don't like this at all?
[26:17] And then you're like,
[26:23] Thank you.
[26:39] Thank you.
[27:07] I have come across a week of cedars that are pulled out in those streets, in those streets.
[27:35] I've been well-tested now.
[27:36] I know that it's a long day.
[27:36] I know that I've been well-tested.
[27:40] I think that he, I mean, quite frankly, here's a place where he's going to, where he's going to hold that job.
[28:05] He's going to hold that job, having a life of life.
[28:06] And at the end of our time, if we do not survive, he's going to die.
[28:07] He might be dead, but we're all going to die one day.
[28:09] But we didn't think the guy needed to go on.
[28:30] I don't expect him to come.
[28:31] My idea is that there's a whole bunch of people in there.
[28:32] There's all the Larry and Donald and the rest of them.
[28:33] That's one of the FBI guys.
[28:34] That's one of the guys.
[28:34] That's one of the records.
[28:35] He's a woman.
[28:35] He's a man.
[28:35] He's a little old.
[28:36] But, you see, John has been in the country.
[28:37] He's been in the country for the last 20 years.
[28:37] And he should have been.
[28:38] Who's John?
[28:38] That's it, though.
[29:01] You're not going to get hurt.
[29:01] Realistically, you know, we're replaced.
[29:02] You're replaced by us.
[29:03] And then our president, he is about to be here at the Capitol.
[29:04] And the Republicans probably won't be here.
[29:05] And he's got a chance to put the president together.
[29:06] That's right.
[29:06] That's right.
[29:06] That's right.
[29:07] That's right.
[29:07] That's right.
[29:08] I think that's it.
[29:35] Thank you very much.
[30:04] Thank you.
[30:05] I hate the men that I walk through the crossroads of.
[30:29] I don't know anybody else that's got to be so close to me.
[30:31] I don't value it.
[30:31] I hate, for example, the patient.
[30:32] I don't like the person.
[30:32] I don't like the person.
[30:33] I hate the patient.
[30:33] I don't like the person.
[30:34] I don't like the person.
[30:35] Special and common objections.
[30:53] One point that I would like to say to the mayor, there's no problem with that.
[30:55] I'm going to do what I can do.
[30:55] I'm going to do the right thing.
[30:57] Dwayne Anderson, I'm going to do something that's very good.
[31:00] I'm going to do something that's very good.
[31:01] I'm going to do something that's very good.
[31:03] The other point is, I was going to get a minority, but I did it.
[31:31] I was going to get a minority, but I did it.
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[32:09] Thank you.
[32:38] What is it?
[33:02] I'm going to scoop up a lot of it.
[33:02] And as far as you know, it's one of the, uh, I don't know if you know, but I think, I don't know if you know, but I think, I don't know if you know, but I think, I don't know if you know,
[33:07] realized, or suspected, if I'm not wrong, that he was thinking exactly what was happening, and he was sort of, you know, across the years, making it a little more difficult to take those things.
[33:33] And so he's the one that made it as hard as possible.
[33:34] So as we watched the fight, we started to take the lesson now.
[33:35] And, uh, and on the run, uh, uh, the way he dealt with it,
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[34:07] Which, like John said, was all psychological.
[34:30] It was calculated by everybody else out of the ballpark.
[34:31] It was so much.
[34:31] It was the rebound of the ballpark.
[34:32] It was a nice ballpark.
[34:32] Right?
[34:32] Well, anyway, it was a good conversation.
[34:33] We were talking about it.
[34:34] It was a good conversation.
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[35:35] Thank you.
[36:04] Thank you very much.
[36:33] Thank you very much.
[37:02] Thank you very much.
[37:03] uh... uh... uh... uh...
[37:34] I was just a kid when I was in high school, and I was told about it, and I was like, here's something, here's one of those.
[37:58] So I found that it was a favorite to me, and I was like, there it is.
[37:59] There it is.
[37:59] I helped them with that, and I said, I'm going to have somebody do it for me.
[38:01] And I said, yeah, I'm going to do it for you.
[38:02] And I said, yeah, I'm going to do it for you.
[38:03] And I said, yeah, I'm going to do it for you.
[38:05] Thank you.
[38:37] Thank you.
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[41:41] First, he's a great person to be around.
[42:03] He's been playing a lot.
[42:04] He hasn't been in that camp yet, but he's a student there.
[42:05] He's been a great friend of mine.
[42:05] And I've known him for a long time.
[42:06] What are you talking about?
[42:07] Thank you for the interview.
[42:07] Yes, sir.
[42:07] He's a great person to be around.
[42:08] He's a very nice person.
[42:09] He's positive.
[42:09] He's got a lot of stuff to say.
[42:10] He's a great person to be around.
[42:10] He's a great person to be around.
[42:12] I don't know
[42:41] I have a feeling that
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[43:43] Yup.
[43:50] Just about finished.
[44:08] But you know how to do this.
[44:09] Why don't you bring it over there, I'll be serious for sure.
[44:10] I need you to find a time to just...
[44:20] Well, if they don't, I just brought down the courier, and I'll pick up the gun.
[44:42] I only find I want to buy a couple of things.
[44:43] Yeah, they don't make that much money.
[44:44] All right, I'm going to bring all those places.
[44:45] I'm going to buy a couple of letters.
[44:46] All right.
[44:47] I don't know.
[45:10] Yes, sir.
[45:39] Okay.
[45:39] I wanted to ask you about .
[45:40] put it back on your thousand days.
[45:54] Thank you.
[45:54] That was really a very nice gift that you could give to a viewer or an audience.
[46:02] Which is a simple gift of your date book.
[46:03] It would be a book like this.
[46:04] It would have your signature on the side.
[46:05] It would then have a calendar.
[46:07] It would be very useful.
[46:08] It would show the date, but then it would show the number of days remaining.
[46:10] And rather than using the thousand days, use the 14.
[46:25] Because the thousand days ties back to Canada, and we don't want to get back from this.
[46:33] It starts January 20th, and then it goes through.
[46:34] I wonder if we borrow one year.
[46:35] I like the four years.
[46:38] If you're going to go to publicity on it, why say that?
[46:57] And then we were going to put a little note in for you on the first page that says, every day, each moment in history is a fleeting time, precious and unique.
[47:13] The presidential term, which begins today, consists of 1,461 days.
[47:16] No more, no less.
[47:16] Each can be a day of strengthening, renewal, or a memory of history, and a definite convention of the American experience.
[47:20] Fourteen hundred and sixty-one days are but a short interval before the stream of misery, but if we strive together, we will make the most of the challenge of the opportunity of each of these days' officers.
[47:38] They can stand out as great days for America and great moments in the history of mankind.
[47:41] That's good.
[47:41] The only thing that I would add, and that's something that I've given several times to people,
[47:47] Every day.
[48:01] Every single day.
[48:01] Don't let a day go by.
[48:05] Don't let a day go by without doing something.
[48:14] Don't let a day go by without doing something.
[48:18] All of that is beautiful poetry, and it's good.
[48:32] But I mean, let it every day come.
[48:34] I just want to take my words and put that on there.
[48:37] Somebody can figure it out.
[48:38] That's the thing.
[48:39] That's the person.
[48:40] There's the day.
[48:41] And every day comes.
[48:45] There you are.
[48:46] There you come.
[48:47] Yeah.