{"conversationCode":"398-013","tapeNumber":398,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-398-013","startDateTime":"1973-01-19T23:15:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-19T23:40:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Jan-1973","startTime":"6:15 PM","endDate":"19-Jan-1973","endTime":"6:40 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On January 19, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 6:15 pm and 6:40 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 398-013 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.3","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part III","chronReleaseDate":"23-Jun-2009","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 398-13\n\nDate: January 19, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 6:15 pm and 6:40 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n[See Conversation No. 36-9]","filename":["398-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"398-012","nextCode":"398-014","transcript":[{"start":0.17,"end":24.03,"text":"yeah on this uh seating thing i would consider of course it's very fairly one theater they do have us uh"},{"start":35.67,"end":38.22,"text":"Fine."},{"start":47.15,"end":49.29,"text":"But that's what we should do."},{"start":49.57,"end":51.95,"text":"The six of us should be in a... See, that's the picture."},{"start":51.97,"end":58.72,"text":"See, there's a lot of the six together in that place right there."},{"start":58.74,"end":59.06,"text":"All right, fine."},{"start":59.08,"end":62.77,"text":"Now, uh, why is this band up there?"},{"start":62.79,"end":63.69,"text":"Do they grant beaches in each place?"},{"start":63.71,"end":63.83,"text":"I see."},{"start":63.85,"end":64.33,"text":"They go with each other."},{"start":64.51,"end":65.05,"text":"They go with us each place."},{"start":70.86,"end":77.17,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":77.78,"end":78.1,"text":"Good to see you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull discussed logistical arrangements for an upcoming public event, specifically focusing on seating assignments and the positioning of a musical band. The President emphasized the importance of ensuring that a group of six individuals would be seated together to maintain the desired visual appearance for photographs. Bull confirmed the arrangements and the travel plans for the musical ensemble to accompany them to multiple locations.","topics":["logistics","seating arrangements","White House operations","public events","scheduling"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T18:11:36.768Z"},"topicSlugs":["logistics","seating-arrangements","white-house-operations","public-events","scheduling"],"audioDurationSec":85,"audioFiles":[{"file":"398-013.mp3","bytes":2044458,"durationSec":85.04,"bitrate":192329,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:45.438Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/398-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/398-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/398/conversation-398-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}