{"conversationCode":"399-008","tapeNumber":399,"conversationNumber":8,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-399-008","startDateTime":"1973-01-22T14:47:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-22T14:53:00.000Z","startDate":"22-Jan-1973","startTime":"9:47 AM","endDate":"22-Jan-1973","endTime":"9:53 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;","description":"On January 22, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 9:47 am and 9:53 am. 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(President)","Haig, Alexander M., Jr."],"prevCode":"399-007","nextCode":"399-009","transcript":[{"start":0.25,"end":26.52,"text":"But I'll, I told Eric before he left that, working on my remarks, I had something infectious in my mind, and I said that I would be going."},{"start":26.54,"end":28.03,"text":"I, of course, have had people who lose their lives, and people with grief."},{"start":28.05,"end":28.91,"text":"The main thing I want to be sure of is that"},{"start":38,"end":63.24,"text":"He's got a lot of ."},{"start":63.26,"end":63.8,"text":"I mean, I think he's ever ."},{"start":63.82,"end":63.92,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":63.94,"end":64.06,"text":"Right."},{"start":64.08,"end":64.8,"text":"But it's been too long now, I think."},{"start":64.82,"end":65.54,"text":"But I mean, I don't know what it is."},{"start":65.56,"end":66.34,"text":"But I have to cut it in half, actually."},{"start":66.36,"end":66.68,"text":"I really think ."},{"start":66.7,"end":67.2,"text":"I mean, I don't mean to ."},{"start":67.22,"end":67.48,"text":"But I don't ."},{"start":67.97,"end":90.97,"text":"You agree?"},{"start":90.99,"end":91.31,"text":"I think, I think"},{"start":101.13,"end":115.93,"text":"But with regard to that, I suppose it's a good moment."},{"start":135.18,"end":157.05,"text":"We'll wait and see what I said and so forth, but after I step out, he's going to have a hell of a time."},{"start":157.07,"end":157.28,"text":"I hope so."},{"start":157.29,"end":157.5,"text":"I hope so."},{"start":157.51,"end":157.62,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":157.63,"end":158.14,"text":"Well, you're helping too."},{"start":180.51,"end":205.29,"text":"Is that right?"},{"start":205.31,"end":205.71,"text":"No, I didn't see it."},{"start":236.43,"end":260.7,"text":"That's what we're hearing about, isn't it?"},{"start":282.54,"end":311.48,"text":"You'll be okay."},{"start":311.5,"end":311.6,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":311.62,"end":311.92,"text":"No, no, no, no."},{"start":311.94,"end":312.04,"text":"Okay."},{"start":325.31,"end":340.18,"text":"Well, I told you that something in the Navy, that's not going to make a difference."},{"start":340.19,"end":340.96,"text":"If it helps, it would be a difference."},{"start":340.98,"end":341.54,"text":"It would help us to resolve."},{"start":341.56,"end":342.78,"text":"And if it doesn't hurt us at all, that's what you have to do."},{"start":342.8,"end":343.46,"text":"That's the line you have to take."},{"start":343.48,"end":344.06,"text":"But don't slip into the line."},{"start":344.08,"end":344.62,"text":"Don't sign into the treaty."},{"start":344.64,"end":345.14,"text":"That's what the fight is."},{"start":345.16,"end":346.44,"text":"If you want to slip into the nation, that's what you have to do."},{"start":355.13,"end":358.58,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. confer regarding sensitive administrative preparations and the management of high-level political communications. The President emphasizes a cautious approach to ongoing negotiations, explicitly instructing Haig to avoid committing to formal treaties or definitive agreements that could compromise their leverage. 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