{"conversationCode":"402-007","tapeNumber":402,"conversationNumber":7,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-402-007","startDateTime":"1973-01-21T22:22:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-21T22:29:00.000Z","startDate":"21-Jan-1973","startTime":"5:22 PM","endDate":"21-Jan-1973","endTime":"5:29 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On January 21, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:22 pm to 5:29 pm. 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(President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"402-006","nextCode":"402-008","transcript":[{"start":0.64,"end":4.16,"text":"Hello."},{"start":4.18,"end":25.93,"text":"I'm just calling to, uh, if that's something that's been around since very recently, but there's nothing else to report."},{"start":25.95,"end":28.07,"text":"Well, I talked to him on the phone briefly, too, before, uh, prior to the inspection."},{"start":28.09,"end":28.69,"text":"He gave that impression to me."},{"start":28.71,"end":29.3,"text":"Of course, I, uh, you know..."},{"start":29.65,"end":45.85,"text":"His feeling is that if he tells him personally, it's why he doesn't write something different in the letter."},{"start":47.35,"end":48.31,"text":"He's making a record in the letter."},{"start":48.33,"end":48.81,"text":"So that's very possible."},{"start":48.83,"end":50.34,"text":"But the only problem we really have here, Henry, is that I see it as a lie."},{"start":50.36,"end":51.34,"text":"I don't know what to do with those leaders."},{"start":51.36,"end":51.96,"text":"We have to go back to America."},{"start":90.55,"end":101.08,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":101.1,"end":101.2,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":101.22,"end":101.32,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":134.71,"end":137.62,"text":"said they were not ready for this."},{"start":179.33,"end":202.17,"text":"Well, we will just take a quick gander at 8 o'clock tomorrow night."},{"start":202.19,"end":202.55,"text":"And we'll be here."},{"start":202.57,"end":203.01,"text":"We'll meet at the EOB."},{"start":203.03,"end":203.74,"text":"And I think just one more question."},{"start":203.75,"end":204.74,"text":"I don't know how the hell that's going to happen."},{"start":204.76,"end":205.98,"text":"It seems to me that all of us have got nothing to do with it."},{"start":243.01,"end":267.01,"text":"Oh, no, no, no, no, no."},{"start":267.03,"end":267.47,"text":"You'll be long enough."},{"start":267.49,"end":267.93,"text":"You'll be long enough."},{"start":267.95,"end":268.05,"text":"What?"},{"start":268.07,"end":268.65,"text":"Well, if you get stuck, what?"},{"start":268.67,"end":269.67,"text":"Well, but if you do, there's no problem with that."},{"start":269.69,"end":271.07,"text":"The problem is that we're still going forward in the same paper sign."},{"start":271.1,"end":271.54,"text":"Although, you never..."},{"start":271.7,"end":297.63,"text":"Uh, they have a clear understanding of what you're doing right there."},{"start":297.65,"end":297.75,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":297.77,"end":297.87,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":297.89,"end":297.99,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":298.01,"end":298.11,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":298.13,"end":298.23,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":313.11,"end":328.81,"text":"Well, when you say we're putting a hard case together, I don't know."},{"start":328.83,"end":329.43,"text":"We've got just the extra time."},{"start":329.45,"end":330.15,"text":"I hope this goes for Christ's sake."},{"start":330.17,"end":331.07,"text":"I don't think nobody's going to say anything."},{"start":331.09,"end":331.71,"text":"Nobody's going to say anything."},{"start":345.41,"end":359.21,"text":"I guess the main thing that's been to the board, I'm sure, is certainly what he tells us."},{"start":359.23,"end":359.79,"text":"He was not going to have it."},{"start":359.81,"end":360.13,"text":"I'm sure he was."},{"start":384.76,"end":398.12,"text":"In other words, he wants to be there with you rather than just cry."},{"start":398.14,"end":398.4,"text":"I understand."},{"start":398.42,"end":398.68,"text":"I understand."},{"start":398.7,"end":398.8,"text":"Good."},{"start":398.82,"end":403.16,"text":"Well, that's the thing to do."},{"start":403.18,"end":403.52,"text":"I'm just... Sure."},{"start":410.83,"end":411.03,"text":"I said it."},{"start":411.05,"end":411.39,"text":"I hope he's back."},{"start":411.41,"end":412.23,"text":"That's why I keep all that thinking down."},{"start":412.25,"end":412.35,"text":"Sure."},{"start":412.37,"end":412.47,"text":"Sure."},{"start":412.49,"end":412.59,"text":"Sure."},{"start":412.61,"end":412.79,"text":"I'm sure."},{"start":412.81,"end":412.99,"text":"I'm sure."},{"start":413.01,"end":413.11,"text":"Good."},{"start":413.13,"end":413.23,"text":"Good."},{"start":413.25,"end":413.45,"text":"All right."},{"start":413.47,"end":413.93,"text":"We'll see you tomorrow."},{"start":413.95,"end":414.03,"text":"Bye."},{"start":414.05,"end":414.13,"text":"Bye."},{"start":414.15,"end":414.23,"text":"Bye."},{"start":414.25,"end":414.33,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discuss the complexities of diplomatic communications and the perceived dishonesty of foreign counterparts regarding official correspondence. 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