{"conversationCode":"403-008","tapeNumber":403,"conversationNumber":8,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-403-008","startDateTime":"1973-01-24T18:47:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-24T18:50:00.000Z","startDate":"24-Jan-1973","startTime":"1:47 PM","endDate":"24-Jan-1973","endTime":"1:50 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On January 24, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:47 pm to 1:50 pm. 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Johnson's funeral\n                     -Time of rendezvous with motorcade\n\nThe President talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 1:47 pm and 1:50\n\f                                                 -6-\n\n                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                               Conversation No. 403-8 (cont’d)\n\npm.\n\n[Conversation No. 403-8A]\n\n       Request for dates of deaths\n            -Theodore Roosevelt\n            -[Thomas] Woodrow Wilson\n            -[John] Calvin Coolidge\n            -Franklin D. Roosevelt\n            -Delivery\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n       President's schedule\n             -Johnson’s funeral\n                    -Motorcade logistics\n                    -Capitol\n                          -Claudia A. (Taylor) (“Lady Bird”) Johnson\n                          -Texas Congressional delegation\n                          -Wreath-laying\n                          -Dean Rusk\n                          -Congress members\n\n       Time of day\n\n       Willard Edmunds of Chicago Tribune\n             -Retirement\n             -Photograph in President's office\n\n       President's schedule\n             -Sheraton-Carlton Hotel reception\n             -Meeting with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon, Tricia Nixon-Cox and Edward R. F. Cox,\n              and Julie\n             Nixon-Eisenhower\n                    -Motorcade\n\nBull left at 1:50 pm.\n\f                                              -7-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["403-008.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B.","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"403-007","nextCode":"403-009","transcript":[{"start":2.34,"end":12.19,"text":"Oh, Steve, I just want to point out that there's a long time."},{"start":12.21,"end":18.04,"text":"It's a question that I made two or three minutes early, sir."},{"start":18.06,"end":20.96,"text":"Oh, so you better leave now."},{"start":20.98,"end":24.04,"text":"Well, we're going to get a radio message right to the party area."},{"start":24.06,"end":24.26,"text":"Is it two?"},{"start":24.28,"end":24.66,"text":"Is the number five?"},{"start":24.68,"end":24.86,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":24.88,"end":25.34,"text":"A couple minutes early."},{"start":25.36,"end":26.02,"text":"The agenda is to leave."},{"start":26.04,"end":26.54,"text":"Where do we leave from?"},{"start":27.27,"end":27.77,"text":"I go over to the address."},{"start":27.79,"end":27.97,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":28.77,"end":30.41,"text":"That's probably the easiest."},{"start":30.43,"end":30.63,"text":"All right."},{"start":31.47,"end":40.96,"text":"Just to highlight that, Sarah."},{"start":40.98,"end":52.77,"text":"I'm just going to lead off with that quote that came in there when I had to transfer the casket on."},{"start":52.79,"end":53.85,"text":"Of course, you're not going to sign."},{"start":53.87,"end":55.37,"text":"And you're looking at it as well."},{"start":55.39,"end":60.78,"text":"Would you get, for me, the dates for death of an agent for these people?"},{"start":60.8,"end":60.88,"text":"T.R."},{"start":60.9,"end":61.04,"text":"Wilson."},{"start":63.6,"end":90.31,"text":"Okay."},{"start":90.33,"end":91.01,"text":"Then we'll just try that one more."},{"start":92.14,"end":109.74,"text":"We go out of there and we're going to have to hold it in place in order to get it to stop."},{"start":109.76,"end":111.31,"text":"And we're still staying in the car that is in the flat of John Morgan, Texas."},{"start":111.33,"end":112.19,"text":"No, we should be in the hall in that place."},{"start":112.21,"end":113.81,"text":"We're going to drive by and we're going to push it off to the country's capital."},{"start":113.83,"end":114.89,"text":"And that's the time when the car will open up on you."},{"start":114.91,"end":115.93,"text":"That's the time when you should get out of the car."},{"start":115.95,"end":116.37,"text":"You know what I mean?"},{"start":116.39,"end":116.87,"text":"Excuse me, Mrs. Johnson."},{"start":116.89,"end":117.41,"text":"I'm going to do the class."},{"start":117.44,"end":118.22,"text":"You're going to be laying in the green."},{"start":118.24,"end":119.04,"text":"You're going to be placing in the green."},{"start":119.02,"end":145.1,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":145.12,"end":145.22,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":145.24,"end":145.34,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":145.36,"end":145.46,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":145.91,"end":160.62,"text":"."},{"start":160.65,"end":160.66,"text":"."},{"start":160.69,"end":160.71,"text":"."},{"start":160.72,"end":160.75,"text":"."},{"start":160.76,"end":160.78,"text":"."},{"start":161.22,"end":180.21,"text":"The picture you're in today is 5.5."},{"start":180.23,"end":181.33,"text":"There's a concession being given to one of the offices."},{"start":181.35,"end":182.35,"text":"You've got a suggestion that you're going to sign."},{"start":182.37,"end":182.97,"text":"You've got it on the textbook."},{"start":183,"end":183.64,"text":"So where's it going to be given?"},{"start":183.66,"end":184.62,"text":"So you've got to show it to all of those houses."},{"start":184.64,"end":185.38,"text":"And it doesn't need a recommendation."},{"start":185.4,"end":185.72,"text":"It's a good job."},{"start":185.74,"end":187.26,"text":"I'm actually going to have you in the office for a few minutes to say hello."},{"start":187.28,"end":187.66,"text":"I want you to turn."},{"start":187.68,"end":188.1,"text":"I'm going to go back."},{"start":188.12,"end":188.76,"text":"I'm going to ask you a question."},{"start":191.02,"end":208.81,"text":"Uh, no, I'll go, uh, I'll meet them there at the south wall, uh, right outside the old office."},{"start":208.83,"end":212.81,"text":"I'll have the car and I'll go around to there and have it load there, okay?"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Stephen Bull to finalize complex logistical arrangements for attending the funeral of Lyndon B. 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