{"conversationCode":"403-018","tapeNumber":403,"conversationNumber":18,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-403-018","startDateTime":"1973-01-31T15:10:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-31T15:18:00.000Z","startDate":"31-Jan-1973","startTime":"10:10 AM","endDate":"31-Jan-1973","endTime":"10:18 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On January 31, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 10:10 am to 10:18 am. 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(President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"403-017","nextCode":"403-019","transcript":[{"start":0.39,"end":12.99,"text":"Well, I guess you'd regret it quite a bit."},{"start":13.01,"end":15.17,"text":"With regard to the labor you've created, Mr. Clayton, I saw you suggested, but how soon is that going to be?"},{"start":36.31,"end":62.01,"text":"What do you want me to say to him?"},{"start":62.02,"end":62.37,"text":"If I, if I'm mad."},{"start":62.38,"end":62.48,"text":"Good."},{"start":62.51,"end":62.61,"text":"Good."},{"start":62.63,"end":62.73,"text":"Good."},{"start":62.75,"end":62.85,"text":"Good."},{"start":62.87,"end":62.97,"text":"Good."},{"start":62.99,"end":63.09,"text":"Good."},{"start":63.11,"end":63.21,"text":"Good."},{"start":63.23,"end":63.33,"text":"Good."},{"start":63.35,"end":63.45,"text":"Good."},{"start":63.47,"end":63.57,"text":"Good."},{"start":63.59,"end":63.69,"text":"Good."},{"start":65.05,"end":93.6,"text":"Oh, I know what I'm talking about."},{"start":93.62,"end":93.92,"text":"What the point?"},{"start":93.94,"end":94.2,"text":"What is this?"},{"start":104.79,"end":108,"text":"I'm not going to say anything."},{"start":139.32,"end":143.46,"text":"Hang on there."},{"start":143.48,"end":143.7,"text":"Come on."},{"start":143.72,"end":144.04,"text":"Come on."},{"start":166.86,"end":188.53,"text":"I was wondering in regard to the supply of ."},{"start":188.55,"end":188.91,"text":"How do they do it?"},{"start":188.93,"end":188.95,"text":"."},{"start":218.97,"end":238.87,"text":"Replace weapons in the war now, you, et cetera, et cetera, right?"},{"start":238.89,"end":239.53,"text":"I think so, I know, I know that."},{"start":239.55,"end":239.97,"text":"I know it, I know it."},{"start":239.99,"end":240.92,"text":"It would be awful if we didn't just kill them."},{"start":240.94,"end":241.94,"text":"That would be awful experience to replace weapons."},{"start":251.5,"end":275.65,"text":"All right, I just wanted to know that these are questions from ."},{"start":281.61,"end":293.32,"text":"What do you think that I did?"},{"start":309.67,"end":331.56,"text":"We've been very restrained."},{"start":331.57,"end":332.54,"text":"That was also the only thing that I had with me."},{"start":332.56,"end":333.42,"text":"That was the only thing that I had with me."},{"start":338.26,"end":356.59,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":356.61,"end":357.23,"text":"But it breathed one quite well."},{"start":360.09,"end":388.5,"text":"."},{"start":388.52,"end":388.54,"text":"."},{"start":388.56,"end":388.58,"text":"."},{"start":388.6,"end":388.62,"text":"."},{"start":388.64,"end":388.66,"text":"."},{"start":388.68,"end":388.7,"text":"."},{"start":388.72,"end":388.74,"text":"."},{"start":388.76,"end":388.78,"text":"."},{"start":388.8,"end":388.82,"text":"."},{"start":388.84,"end":388.86,"text":"."},{"start":388.88,"end":388.9,"text":"."},{"start":398.97,"end":425.82,"text":"Some of them, some of them, some of them, some of them, some of them,"},{"start":434.97,"end":457.44,"text":"Now, in regard to the Campoia, a lot of it was inspired by that mid-40s, early 40s, and we played with it."},{"start":457.46,"end":458.56,"text":"We are not bombing the Campoia because of that mid-40s."},{"start":458.58,"end":459.92,"text":"With that said, we are, and we have a good respect for the Campoia."},{"start":459.94,"end":460.72,"text":"We have a good respect for the Campoia."},{"start":472.18,"end":490.67,"text":"And as far as what I'm allowed to do, I'm just going to do the operation before you."},{"start":490.69,"end":491.29,"text":"And that's coming right along."},{"start":491.31,"end":491.55,"text":"That's good."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger met to discuss military strategy and logistical concerns regarding the ongoing conflict, specifically focusing on the supply and replacement of weaponry. The discussion touched upon the restraint exercised in current operations and addressed potential bombing activities related to Cambodia. 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