{"conversationCode":"403-027","tapeNumber":403,"conversationNumber":27,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-403-027","startDateTime":"1973-01-31T17:38:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-31T17:41:00.000Z","startDate":"31-Jan-1973","startTime":"12:38 PM","endDate":"31-Jan-1973","endTime":"12:41 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Brennan, Peter J.;","description":"On January 31, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Peter J. Brennan met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 12:38 pm to 12:41 pm. 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Brennan discuss the political implications and public perception of a potential amnesty policy for Vietnam War-era draft evaders. Nixon proposes an alternative to simple pardons, suggesting that individuals could fulfill a service requirement, such as police work, rather than being sent away. 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