{"conversationCode":"404-018","tapeNumber":404,"conversationNumber":18,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-404-018","startDateTime":"1973-01-23T18:46:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-23T18:53:00.000Z","startDate":"23-Jan-1973","startTime":"1:46 PM","endDate":"23-Jan-1973","endTime":"1:53 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On January 23, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:46 pm and 1:53 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 404-018 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.3","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part III","chronReleaseDate":"23-Jun-2009","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 404-18\n\nDate: January 23, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 1:43 pm and 1:46 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 36-83]","filename":["404-018.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"404-017","nextCode":"404-019","transcript":[{"start":0.35,"end":6.19,"text":"For a reason that I won't go into, I want only the photographic."},{"start":48.31,"end":72.65,"text":"I don't think so."},{"start":72.67,"end":73.17,"text":"I think we don't want to."},{"start":73.19,"end":74.24,"text":"We don't want to build an area that's all that much."},{"start":74.26,"end":75.3,"text":"I don't think he's going to get money to build that."},{"start":84.69,"end":111.97,"text":"Yes, yes, yes, yes."},{"start":111.99,"end":113.47,"text":"But do you think I should put the bipartisan leaders in the picture of us?"},{"start":113.49,"end":114.11,"text":"Well, we can go right and say ."},{"start":114.78,"end":137.08,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":144.82,"end":150.93,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler discuss the handling of visual documentation and photographic records regarding an unspecified project or event. The President explicitly instructs that only photographic material be emphasized, while expressing skepticism regarding the feasibility of funding for a particular initiative. They also briefly consider the strategic optics of involving bipartisan congressional leadership in public-facing appearances.","topics":["Public relations","Photography","Bipartisan leadership","White House communications","Media strategy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T18:24:45.568Z"},"topicSlugs":["public-relations","photography","bipartisan-leadership","white-house-communications","media-strategy"],"audioDurationSec":156,"audioFiles":[{"file":"404-018.mp3","bytes":3742208,"durationSec":155.79,"bitrate":192170,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:45.438Z","transcriptGapSeconds":74,"transcriptGapShare":0.47,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/404-018.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/404-018","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/404/conversation-404-018","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}