{"conversationCode":"405-009","tapeNumber":405,"conversationNumber":9,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-405-009","startDateTime":"1973-01-25T14:05:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-25T14:34:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Jan-1973","startTime":"9:05 AM","endDate":"25-Jan-1973","endTime":"9:34 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On January 25, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman, and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 9:05 am to 9:34 am. 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Ehrlichman\n     -Congressional relations\n     -Spiro T. Agnew [?]\n     -Roy L. Ash\n     -Strategy\n     -Congressional relations\n     -Details compared to overall concept\n           -Programs\n           -Taxes\n           -Congress\n     -Cabinet meeting\n           -Ehrlichman\n           -Ash\n           -Earl L. Butz\n           -Rogers C. B. Morton\n     -Timing\n     -Ehrlichman\n     -Ronald L. Ziegler\n     -Timing\n           -William E. Timmons, Ash\n     -President's revisions in drafts\n           -Continental Divide\n     -Method of press coverage\n           -Ehrlichman, Ziegler\n     -Relation to Vietnam settlement\n           -Congress\n     -Ehrlichman's work with John A. Volpe\n     -Agnew\n     -Strategy\n           -Timmons\n     -Method of press coverage\n           -Radio, television [TV]\n     -President's response to draft\n     -Cabinet meeting\n           -Agnew [?]\n           -Volpe\n\nLyndon B. Johnson’s funeral\n     -Claudia A. (“Lady Bird”) Johnson\n\f                                              -6-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                         Conversation No. 405-9 (cont’d)\n\n                   -Photographs with President\n             -President's role\n                   -Military attache, Claudia Johnson\n                   -Wreath-laying\n\n       President's speech on 1974 budget\n             -Length\n                    -Raymond K. Price, Jr.\n             -Method of press coverage\n                    -Publicity\n             -Congressional relations\n             -Ehrlichman's view on importance\n                    -Vietnam settlement\n\n       1974 budget meeting\n            -Shultz's role\n            -President's role\n            -Taxes\n\n       Cabinet meeting\n            -Elliot L. Richardson\n            -Peter J. Brennan\n                  -Ability\n            -Morton\n            -Value\n            -George W. Romney\n            -Frederick B. Dent\n            -George H. W. Bush\n                  -Inclusion in future meetings\n            -Agnew\n\nStephen B. Bull entered at 9:34 am.\n\n       Lyndon Johnson’s funeral\n            -Departure time for President\n            -Logistics\n                 -Claudia Johnson and family\n                 -Weather in Texas\n\n       President's speech on 1974 budget\n\f                                                 -7-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 405-9 (cont’d)\n\n             -Revisions\n                  -Price\n             -Length\n\nPresident, Haldeman, and Bull left at 9:35 am.","filename":["405-009.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"405-008","nextCode":"405-010","transcript":[{"start":173.68,"end":176.87,"text":"I'll bring it to 8 for impact."},{"start":850.62,"end":852.49,"text":"We'll get at least something out of it."},{"start":1112.35,"end":1116.55,"text":"That's what you were mad about at the end?"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. R. Haldeman coordinated the strategic rollout of the upcoming 1974 budget speech, focusing on press coverage, congressional relations, and the necessary integration with the recent Vietnam settlement. They reviewed cabinet meeting logistics and potential personnel assignments, weighing the roles of various advisors like George Shultz and John Ehrlichman. Stephen B. Bull joined briefly toward the end to finalize logistical arrangements for the President’s travel to Texas to attend the funeral of Lyndon B. Johnson.","topics":["1974 Federal Budget","Vietnam Settlement","Cabinet Meetings","Congressional Relations","Lyndon B. 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