Conversation 405-016

TapeTape 405StartThursday, January 25, 1973 at 3:31 PMEndThursday, January 25, 1973 at 4:33 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Colson, Charles W.;  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Sanchez, ManoloRecording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On January 25, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:31 pm to 4:33 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 405-016 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 405-16

Date: January 25, 1973
Time: 3:31 pm - 4:33 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Charles W. Colson and H. R. (“Bob”)Haldeman.

       President's schedule

       Vietnam settlement
            -Cease-fire announcement
            -Congressional resolution
                  -Frank F. Church
                  -Gerald R. Ford
                  -Phrasing
                  -Vote
                  -Content
                  -Church
                  -Content
            -Hawks
            -Press relations
                  -November 3, 1969 speech
                  -Potential stories
                  -Ronald L. Ziegler
                  -Television [TV]
                  -John F. Kennedy
                         -Lyndon B. Johnson
                  -James C. Hagerty's work
                         -Dwight D. Eisenhower administration
                  -Ziegler
                  -Personal qualities of President's leadership
                         -Courage, steadfastness
                         -Editorials
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Leadership
     -Kennedy
           -Health
           -Public opinion
     -President’s image
           -Personal qualities
                 -Public opinion
           -Vietnam negotiations [?]
           -Important decisions
           -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
           -John B. Connally
           -George P. Shultz and Spiro T. Agnew
           -Purpose
           -Public perception
           -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
           -May 8, 1972 decision and Cambodia decision
           -Second term
                 -Middle East crisis
           -Accomplishments
                 -Trips to PRC and Soviet Union
                 -Economy
                 -End of Vietnam War
     -Kennedy
           -Image
                 -Cuban Missile Crisis
                 -Kennedy's actions
                       -Soviet Union
                       -Book
                 -Manufactured crises
                       -Myth-making
                 -Haldeman’s view

Press relations
      -Colson’s report
             -Church
                  -Organization
      -Watergate
             -Focus
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Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 3:31 pm.

       President's speech
             -Delivery of draft
                    -Delay

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 4:33 pm.

       Campus disturbances
           -Firings [?]
           -Vietnam War
           -Columbia University
                 -Jews [?]
           -University of California Los Angeles [UCLA]
           -Student attitudes
           -Teaching
           -1972 election victory
           -PRC trip, Chou En-lai
           -Democrats, Republicans
           -1968
           -Republican President
           -Students
                 -Misdirection

       Vietnam settlement
            -Bombing
                  -Henry A. Kissinger
                  -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

       Press relations
             -“Today”
                    -Melvin R. Laird

       Public relations [PR]
             -William P. Rogers
             -Henry M. (‘Scoop”) Jackson
             -Republicans, Democrats
             -Peter J. Brennan and hardhats
             -Rogers
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       Democratic candidates
           -Press relations
           -Johnson
           -Joseph W. Alsop

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       President's possible press conferences
             -Rogers
             -Press requests
                    -President's role in Vietnam settlement
             -Haig
             -New York Times
                    -Kissinger's role in Vietnam settlement

Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 3:31 pm.

       Delivery of draft of President's speech

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 4:33 pm.

       Vietnam settlement
            -Kissinger's role
            -President's role
                  -Subtlety
                  -Johnson

       Previous evening's event [?]

       Congressional relations
            -Letters
                  -Announcement
                  -Modifications
            -William E. Timmons
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      -President's supporters
      -Charles H. Percy
      -William B. Saxbe
      -President's thanks to supporters
            -Personal letters
                   -Timmons
            -Reactions
      -Republican Party

President's opposition
      -Attitudes
             -Hatred
      -Democratic Party
      -Hubert H. Humphrey
      -Clark M. Clifford

Federal Communications Commission [FCC]

Press relations

Vietnam settlement
     -TV
     -Announcement
     -Press relations [?]
     -Kissinger
     -Briefings [?]
     -John A. Scali
     -Wire service reports
     -PR strategy
     -TV
     -Editorial comments
           -Effect
                  -May 8, 1972 decision [?]
     -Press relations [?]
     -Haig
     -1973 Inauguration
     -“Bug out”
           -“Doves”
     -Public opinion
     -President’s speech
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       Johnson’s funeral
            -Minister's message
            -Johnson’s staffers
                  -President's relations
                  -Marvin Watson
                  -George Christian
            -Kennedy

       1973 Inauguration
            -Johnson’s death

       Vietnam settlement
            -Signing
                  -Rogers
            -Returning armed service members
            -Publicity
            -Crowd
            -Prisoners of War [POWs]
            -President’s schedule
                  -Signing
            -Presidential proclamation
            -Frank Stanton
                  -Schedule
            -American Red Cross [?]
                  -Colson’s contact
            -President’s schedule
                  -Radio speech

Colson left at 4:33 pm.

       President's schedule
             -Meeting
                    -Budget
                          -John D. Ehrlichman
                    -Haldeman's role
                    -Executive privilege
                    -John W. Dean's possible attendance
                    -Rogers
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                                                 Conversation No. 405-16 (cont’d)

Haldeman left at 4:33 pm.

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We really ought to be able to talk to them about that.
I'm talking about courage.
That's that.
Second.
Third.
And an event like this, we've got to do it.
about how they had a
One and a half.
Got it.
um by
The second one is a big job.
It's going to be a better package than the way it was before the election.
Now my head is on the word.
He's at the right.
This is everybody who's got their own deal.
It's really nice.
Yeah right.
Very good point.
We'll let that take its time to wrap up.
That's definitely our timeline.
And that'd be good to go.
All right.
Thank you.
But if you do it, you'll be good.
Thank you.
I just must know that you are mine.
I'm sorry.
I don't know what to do.
you're not gonna put it in.
Pretty much free.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't have to go through these things.
10 seven o'clock.
That'd take probably six hours.
that goes far beyond just
5, 6, 7, 8, 9