{"conversationCode":"406-013","tapeNumber":406,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-406-013","startDateTime":"1973-01-30T18:23:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-30T22:30:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Jan-1973","startTime":"1:23 PM","endDate":"30-Jan-1973","endTime":"5:30 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On January 30, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:23 pm and 5:30 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 406-013 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.3","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part III","chronReleaseDate":"23-Jun-2009","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 406-13\n\nDate: January 30, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 1:23 pm and 5:30 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n       Press relations\n             -Vietnam settlement\n                    -Release of information to morning newspapers\n             -Henry A. Kissinger\n\f                                                -9-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                           Conversation No. 406-56 (cont’d)\n\n                   -Possible trip to Hanoi\n                   -Publicity\n                   -Economics story\n                   -Lead\n             -Vietnam settlement\n                   -Congress\n                   -Morning news papers\n                   -Ziegler's briefing\n                   -Congressional relations\n                   -Signing\n                   -William E. Timmons\n                   -Announcement\n                         -Kissinger\n                         -President's remarks\n\nZiegler left at an unknown time before 5:30 pm.","filename":["406-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"406-012","nextCode":"406-014","transcript":[{"start":1.13,"end":4.04,"text":"Okay, we're, we're executing."},{"start":4.06,"end":6.78,"text":"We're going to send it to the department."},{"start":6.8,"end":8.51,"text":"Tomorrow we can see the problem down here in the sky."},{"start":35.54,"end":52.94,"text":"I'll kill him, and I'm going to throw him, so I'd rather have him."},{"start":52.96,"end":53.3,"text":"Let him have him."},{"start":53.32,"end":53.78,"text":"Grab the shot, brother."},{"start":53.8,"end":54.2,"text":"That's a good point."},{"start":65.66,"end":88.58,"text":"Well, I should just say that you already, uh,"},{"start":94.78,"end":123.12,"text":"Okay, we'll still send it."},{"start":124,"end":144.38,"text":"Okay, wait, I wouldn't have had this goddamn announcement of memories today if I had known it was going to be."},{"start":161.78,"end":164.04,"text":"works in their properties."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler coordinate the administration's media strategy regarding the recently finalized Vietnam peace settlement. They discuss the timing and management of press releases for morning newspapers, the logistics of Henry Kissinger’s potential trip to Hanoi, and the necessary coordination with Congress for upcoming public announcements. The conversation focuses on ensuring the administration maintains control over the narrative surrounding the Vietnam agreement and the President's related remarks.","topics":["Vietnam peace settlement","Press relations","Henry Kissinger","White House communications","Congressional relations","Publicity"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T18:28:21.744Z"},"topicSlugs":["vietnam-peace-settlement","press-relations","henry-kissinger","white-house-communications","congressional-relations","publicity"],"audioDurationSec":169,"audioFiles":[{"file":"406-013.mp3","bytes":4061320,"durationSec":169.07,"bitrate":192176,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:46.738Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:34.820Z","transcriptGapSeconds":89,"transcriptGapShare":0.53,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/406-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/406-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/406/conversation-406-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}