{"conversationCode":"406-019","tapeNumber":406,"conversationNumber":19,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-406-019","startDateTime":"1973-01-30T22:30:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-30T22:50:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Jan-1973","startTime":"5:30 PM","endDate":"30-Jan-1973","endTime":"5:50 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On January 30, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:30 pm to 5:50 pm. 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Discontinuities appear in the original recording.\n\n       Vietnam settlement\n            -Recognition\n            -Elections\n                  -National Council\n                  -Requirements\n            -Replacement of arms\n                  -Soviet Union, People's Republic of China [PRC]\n                  -Modern weapons\n            -Memorandum\n            -Possible questions for the President\n            -Amnesty\n                  -The President's policy\n            -Press relations\n                  -Joseph W. Alsop\n                  -Press coverage\n                         -Sophistication\n                         -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]\n                         -Negativity\n            -Kissinger's trip\n            -Aid to North Vietnam\n            -Bombing of North Vietnam\n            -Prisoner of War [POWs]\n            -Signing\n                  -Paris\n            -Provisions\n                  -Moscow\n                         -POWs\n            -Value to US\n                  -Elections\n                  -Hanoi\n                  -Soviet Union\n                  -PRC\n                  -Bombing\n\f                                      -13-\n\n            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                    Conversation No. 406-56 (cont’d)\n\n     -Press response\n           -Stewart J.O. Alsop\n           -Time\n           -Life\n           -Newsweek\n           -National Review\n     -Kissinger's briefing\n           -Protocols\n     -Liberals\n     -Press response\n           -Stewart Alsop\n           -[First name unknown] Rose [?]\n                  -Liberal\n     -Kissinger’s schedule\n     -Nguyen Van Thieu visit\n           -President's conversation with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman\n           -San Clemente, Washington, DC\n           -Cabinet meeting\n           -National Security Council [NSC] Meeting\n           -Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft\n           -Spiro T. Agnew [?]\n\nPresident's schedule\n      -California\n      -Stop\n\nKissinger’s trip to PRC\n\nKissinger’s schedule\n      -Trip to Vietnam\n      -Cabinet meeting\n      -Meetings with Congressional leaders\n            -Agnew\n      -Vacation\n\nVietnam settlement\n     -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.’s trip [?]\n           -Report\n           -Manila\n     -POWs\n\f                                               -14-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                           Conversation No. 406-56 (cont’d)\n\n       President’s schedule\n             -Barber’s appointment\n\n       Vietnam settlement\n            -Discouragement\n\nThe President and Kissinger left at 5:50 pm.","filename":["406-019.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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restraint."},{"start":113.02,"end":114.34,"text":"We had a restraint with the Soviets and the Chinese, their allies."},{"start":114.36,"end":115.1,"text":"Part of the thing was self-restraint."},{"start":115.12,"end":116.62,"text":"But we could have a situation where while all this is not being maintained,"},{"start":132.47,"end":138.13,"text":"Yeah, I know that."},{"start":138.15,"end":138.51,"text":"All right."},{"start":167.6,"end":196.85,"text":"I had those things unlocked."},{"start":196.87,"end":197.49,"text":"It was good to have them there."},{"start":197.91,"end":200.07,"text":"You never know."},{"start":200.09,"end":205.99,"text":"Well, you never know what a question may trigger a response."},{"start":242,"end":243.02,"text":"Thank 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it out on the nose and this."},{"start":494.9,"end":495.8,"text":"You know, they want it to come from the nose."},{"start":495.82,"end":496.22,"text":"You know, you can't."},{"start":496.24,"end":496.44,"text":"You can't."},{"start":496.46,"end":496.66,"text":"You can't."},{"start":496.68,"end":496.88,"text":"You can't."},{"start":496.9,"end":497.1,"text":"You can't."},{"start":497.12,"end":497.32,"text":"You can't."},{"start":497.34,"end":497.54,"text":"You can't."},{"start":515.17,"end":543.55,"text":"They did not."},{"start":543.57,"end":544.49,"text":"They gave the list, which is part of the sign."},{"start":544.89,"end":556.06,"text":"One of the best agreement on the requirement to do it from now on."},{"start":556.08,"end":556.32,"text":"Oh, I agree."},{"start":556.34,"end":559.35,"text":"Agreement on the requirement to let the business to last over the next 60 days."},{"start":559.37,"end":560.09,"text":"But that's it."},{"start":560.11,"end":560.31,"text":"That's it."},{"start":560.33,"end":560.53,"text":"That's it."},{"start":560.55,"end":561.09,"text":"We have to hang on to that."},{"start":561.11,"end":561.31,"text":"That's it."},{"start":561.33,"end":561.53,"text":"That's it."},{"start":598.4,"end":626.34,"text":"That's right."},{"start":626.36,"end":626.62,"text":"That's right."},{"start":626.64,"end":627.04,"text":"Turn it up a little."},{"start":631.24,"end":654.94,"text":"And also, while it doesn't help us in our relations with our brothers and sisters, the very fact that they went away, and Russia, and China, and so on, that's fine."},{"start":654.96,"end":655.68,"text":"But we've got to do the best we can."},{"start":664.15,"end":682.7,"text":"And that's totally up to everybody to do that."},{"start":682.72,"end":683.4,"text":"They don't like it, but it's true."},{"start":683.42,"end":684.4,"text":"What a story for me to write something like this."},{"start":684.42,"end":685.58,"text":"It seems to me really impossible if I'm really good at it."},{"start":694.79,"end":710.42,"text":"Well, I haven't been to the bathroom, which is a big, big difference."},{"start":710.44,"end":710.96,"text":"But, you know, it's going."},{"start":710.98,"end":711.38,"text":"And that's not fair."},{"start":711.4,"end":711.9,"text":"It didn't help me at all."},{"start":711.92,"end":713.51,"text":"We had expected to try to do what we did."},{"start":713.53,"end":715.47,"text":"But we would have, uh, eventually, uh, the other time, right?"},{"start":715.49,"end":716.09,"text":"And that, that, that happened."},{"start":739.51,"end":769.15,"text":"I know I need a super phone."},{"start":775.79,"end":803,"text":"For the folks."},{"start":807.74,"end":825.13,"text":"We are sitting over 30 miles from the end of the city."},{"start":825.15,"end":825.61,"text":"There's a lot of water."},{"start":825.63,"end":826.59,"text":"The left side of the home is right on the shore."},{"start":826.61,"end":827.7,"text":"You know, I don't know if we're going to make it back."},{"start":827.72,"end":828.86,"text":"You know, we're leaving, but we're going to make it back."},{"start":828.88,"end":829.98,"text":"I hope all the days that I can see, I can make it back."},{"start":863.12,"end":883.79,"text":"Yes."},{"start":883.81,"end":883.93,"text":"Great."},{"start":893.65,"end":908.74,"text":"What am I going to do?"},{"start":950.6,"end":971.48,"text":"I love it."},{"start":979.57,"end":1002.45,"text":"I thought they ought to come back and complain to me, and then count the damage, count the damage."},{"start":1002.47,"end":1004.61,"text":"Because also you've got to start carrying the hot with the leaders on this, you know, you know what's next."},{"start":1004.63,"end":1009.06,"text":"We like to put eggs on, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, 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