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Well, every single source of news we've been talking about this problem for a short period of time.

Oh, Ron's talking about it.

Ron went through the whole community thing with him and then, uh, uh, I don't know.

I think it's one of the points getting through to him.

He's, he's sorting out, trying to figure out what, you know, what it all is, what he does about it.

I suppose.

I don't know.

But I tried to write out what the problem was, what the problem was, and what our objectives were going to be, and how to dictate it.

And write it out as a mental test, mainly in terms of key points that we're kind of going to try.

Did you ever take the time, the worst part, to try to write it out?

I hit him with that.

He said, well, I don't understand some of this.

And I said, well, we're getting there.

And I said, I understand the reasons for all these things.

And that is the point.

There's no question here of motivation.

He said, well, it was something else.

And I told him, the president thinks that I need to rest.

Because he knows that I want to rest.

And I said, you're totally misunderstanding

There's no thought on the President's part that you need to rest.

That's not what he thinks.

The President knows you talk to rest, and he's concerned that in that kind of a conversation, with the best of motives, and with no intent to either lead or distort, that you say something that gives Reston the opportunity to build on it and turn what you mean perfectly in this way.

I said you gave me the best example of it.

You've used frequently over the years

The point is you don't question the motives of other governments because your mind is a crack.

It's a gag mind that you use.

I would test their motives.

I have no trouble figuring out my own.

And I said, unfortunately, that line has worked fine in a lot of cases.

But you used it once too often.

Because he incited it to me.

He said, I made a terrible mistake.

I said the same thing.

I'm always about to scream it.

Now, the concern the president had on the rest of the question was not that you purposely

On your initiative, called up Scottie Rustin and said, I am not in quick favor of bombing.

I'm divided from the president.

Nobody questions that.

We know that's not true, because I know the social president has strongly supported the bombing.

So we know that's impossible.

Good.

And on the other hand, by nuances, by not saying something, by the tone of voice, all kinds of things, you create an impression that's, you know, I shouldn't.

The world's worst poker play is every time you give everything away.

And when you roll your eyes up and when you send an answer, when you deliver a flip and crack that you need one way, it's discarded and used against you.

And that's what the President is concerned about.

And that kind of ends what all the rest of us have.

That's what we've been talking about.

Not the question that nobody's ever questioned about it.

for your sincerity, for your dedication.

We know that you never divide yourself from the rest of us, and we understand your concept of your relationship and your role in all of that.

That is important.

It's a question that has to be answered.

And I said, by the way, I want to mention to you, on this call, I had to use the phrase that came out of my mouth, and that's where the problem arises.

And because he was patiently crying, to the left, please, we're listening to our orders.

On the other hand, he gave them the knife, never pointing the trigger, never trying to completely drown them.

What a rock.

And then I said, we also get hit on the thing.

I said, I know you're over there, but they're cleaning it up.

They said they're cleaning up this thing.

I said, I didn't hear.

October press conference on East Indiana.

I mentioned the president twice.

Very optimistic of me.

On the other hand, in December, when everything had fallen into the pile of shit, we were out trying to explain it.

We mentioned the president 17 times.

It was true.

It was something like that.

Of course, I had a point.

And he said, well, do you understand?

I said, that is the point.

I know why you said it.

Because in October, there was no question of you and the president being together.

In December, there was.

It was when they were trying to make the case that you were separated.

So you were trying to make the case that you were carrying out the president's decisions.

Nobody's questioning the motive.

We're only questioning the comment.

I said, why are you making the point now that in your one-hour masterful dissertation on the peace agreement after the

You didn't mention the president at all.

That's not true.

I said, you're right, it's not true.

At the start of it, you said the president last night announced the peace agreement.

That was the end of it.

I said, that's not true.

That's not true.

He did it in the Q&A.

He did it a couple times in the Q&A, but even there, he locked you in when they were propping up, too.

He said the president has indicated that we support the government separately, not because he didn't want to say, I support the government separately, not because he didn't support it, too.

Put it right on my back.

I don't care.

Which is all right.

I'm going to support it.

Yeah, except he didn't put it on your back.

I didn't think of, you know, how hard you hunt me on this and that or...

But, well, there is a problem.

He's concerned.

And he's concerned for the wrong thing.

That's what I tried to turn out.

I don't think it was successful.

Well, yeah.

We're all on the same side.

We're talking about technique.

We're talking about how best to fight the war that we're both fighting.

Not

The question of whose side?

Nobody questions if you're on the other side.

Nobody questions if you're giving or if you're not.

It would be tragic.

Of course, you can read out of it.

I get you out of it.

He raged, you know, with me on the rest of things.

Oh, I raged all the way to California on that.

So I just wanted to deny it.

But I tried to turn it around to the point of why he was concerned about it.

So he doesn't know that we know it's not correct.

You won't know.

Okay.

Try to decide what you should do with it.

I know it's pretty hard.

And, uh, correctly, without, uh, there's no loss of your moment of reading.

The hour and 45 minutes, 2 a.m. is late.

The word peace with honor wasn't used to mean a settlement that was honorable in the aptitude or the other end.

See, the point is, that in itself, in part, is what I have said.

I've been on the 94, which is a little bit of a record that we have to use.

That's the point I'm making.

It's not a matter of you going out and saying you're divided from the president or anybody else going out and saying you're not divided.

To be perfectly frank, I don't think that...

I didn't read it, I'm sorry.

Well, all the impressive crap.

I was born in charge of the government.

How, what way, by how long they were, they were all saying, I think it happened and it did.

They were saying that the president pulled himself in his grasp and put his gears away.

He did a good job.

All right.

So he hit the bad guys.

Yeah.

Quite well.

And he hit, he hit the rest of them.

He said the rest was common.

It has to be good.

All the time.

I think it was bad timing since it ran out of it.

The day that the

First of all, we got six problems, basically.

Here's what?

That's being developed on the basis of saying that the President pulled Kissinger back from the feast and Kissinger opposed the bombings and Kissinger was compromised by the President and that Kissinger is conducting three-way negotiations with the N.N.S.I.

guy in Mesa.

Sorry, I didn't publish that.

He's divided from the President.

Go ahead.

He's divided from the President and they peddle that line by saying that the President pulled Kissinger back from the feast and Kissinger opposed the bombings and Kissinger was compromised in his negotiations.

And that history was being forced to conduct three-way negotiations between Hanoi, Saigon, and Mexico.

That's one problem.

Another problem is the line that we agreed on the whole work.

Another one is, I tried to work decently.

They weren't all kissing.

Another, that it wasn't worth the cost.

Another, that the president didn't do it.

Another, the appearance that Kissinger is building himself at the expense of the President.

I said, now, here's the media that are trying to build the Kissinger role and downgrade the President role.

And they're doing, for example, a chapter analysis of a body cancer.

And the thing that they're doing, well, they're done by Kissinger over the President's dead body.

That's a lie.

They're not even reading that.

I said, that's absolutely wrong.

So they, I agree they're going to have this back.

And then I said, the other thing, which you won't regret, but it is a problem.

It's the appearance that Mr. Deere is keeping a foot in both hands.

He's trying to, trying to straddle, cover both sides of the city.

Well, that's hard to do, because I have, as the president of the city, I have tried to maintain a line of communication to the left.

And it's not all that.

So I assume that, as you said before, that was essential after what we got to do.

But after we got to do it, it was essential that we do it again.

I mean, it's a shame.

What I think his problem is at the present time, I think it's fair enough for the roots of him.

I think he feels he may have to get back there.

You know what I mean?

I really feel that there's up there in his soul, and I really think that he wants to keep him.

That's why he's always there.

He's always loving and encouraging.

I think the problem with these guys is that if she talks to someone, that's a big reward for that person.

It's a reward for the wrong people.

And I said, it seems to me, Henry, that now we are going to get four big goals, four major goals.

One, we've got to establish the president's role in bringing peace.

And the point there is that the gifts you're negotiating

were undoubtedly essential.

But without the President's courage, it would have been totally useless.

They're outgracing him.

Second, we've got a tie-in to that, built on the President's role in terms of long-range concept.

The administration, which the President was talking about in the 68th campaign before Hillary, was a defensive one.

The whole thing to China, which the President wrote about in the early 68th, before he even met with any of his picture settlers,

The second goal is we've got to establish the validity of the tough decisions.

And that's what we haven't done yet.

From November 3rd to May 8th to December.

We've got to make the point that those things were what made it all possible to be real.

And the only way to get that across is for Henry to say, I recommend it to them.

I support it to them.

And it was the right thing to do because it succeeded.

Until you say that, they're going to need you to fight for them.

He said, I have to say that, but I couldn't say it before the agreement was signed.

I said, that's right, now it's signed.

It's very difficult to say it before I go to handle it.

Okay, and if you go back to handle it, it'll be difficult to avoid next time.

So I don't know if it'll come to that.

I said, the third trick of this, we've got to confirm without any question that we do have these with us.

We don't have that one.

And the fourth is, we've got to destroy the liberal establishment.

We've got to do it by killing the critics because they said it wouldn't work.

And because what they would have done was it didn't work.

And we've got to do it because for the reason of building our equity with the region.

And also because of killing them on the ground.

They said it wouldn't work.

It didn't work.

But also, if we had done what they said, the United States would have finished the world fine.

Right.

Well, then, that was sort of the objective.

And then I wrote out the six points that, you know, you've got to get across.

Number one, we have achieved peace with us.

In doing that, we preserve the credibility of the United States and the world with our allies, our enemies, and our community.

It is essential that our role is a force for peace, and that we achieve the peace that no one thought was possible.

Point 1.

Point 2.

Referring to the President was the essential element.

In spite of unprecedented opposition, pressure, hostility, and vilification, in spite of Congress' immediate attention to undercutting,

Then we make the point of courage, promise, wisdom, and guts to hang in there.

Third, the tough key decisions make the difference.

November 3rd came over the last minute.

He said, all unpopular and all attack veterans.

Let me go back to that.

Fourth, the bloodbath consequences of a bloodbath.

You could have gotten the U.S. out, but you could have been in Southeast Asia.

First, you would have bloodbathed.

Second, it was not going to stay there.

Fifth, the December bombing worked and it was right.

It broke the deadlock.

There was no division between the president and Mr. Trump.

And this bullshit about terror bombing is not true.

We struck only military targets with, you know, a certain amount of bombings.

We shouldn't take the bad route.

And then the state subjected the liberal establishment critics were wrong.

The establishment is now patting him, so the credibility of these parties, their performance is in question.

They failed to stand in front of the person.

The state has always been the board of the board of the state.

All their predictions failed to come true.

The president's peace with honor was achieved despite very little support from the government, active opposition from the Senate and the House, and overwhelming opposition from the opinion leaders in the press, the religious leaders, the education leaders, and a lot of business leaders.

And their approach, the liberalist government approach, would have left the war going on for 50 million people, would have left South Vietnam for a communist state government,

would have destroyed respect for the United States among our allies, would have encouraged our enemies, and would have just made them encroach on us.

That's the effect of doing that.

If we can get those points across, then that's pretty simple.

If we can't, then it's a waste of time, because, yeah.

And so that's the problem.

Don't worry about the many, excuse me, the whole hyper-size, the whole hyper-size of Henry's...

And it's a damn good job.

I understand it's a damn good job.

But the whole point of it, and I read it very carefully, is to show that he was a great person.

He still believes in us.

There's another damn thing in it.

You know, it's already a concern.

We had told him before that that wasn't enough.

I've got one point that I want to do.

I don't want to do this.

But, uh, no, Henry didn't want to speak.

He doesn't care to show that the president is going to listen to him.

That's it.

I'm fighting to know what he's going to do.

He's a leader.

He's not there.

He's a very good, very good leader.

He's not the president.

He's not going to do it.

He doesn't say what I'm going to do later, though.

That's very well done, Alex.

Well, I hate to put it to him at this point, but I just want to put it to him again.

I think that he's not even interested in the rest of them.

He's been an hour into that movie, and he didn't get a chance to run.

Ron and I had a long talk, and we both needed a better strategy.

I just don't know if that's worth it or not.

I think we're just a lot, just as scared of that.

Nobody would disagree with him.

It won't.

And what did Ron think?

And Ron agrees with what Henry is.

But how would he, but he ended on a positive basis.

This is the chance to clear out what we used to get.

It's a chance to get all of these...

But they made an American rating.

Oh, but maybe the President's gonna be scared of entering on the basis that...

The only basis of judging success or failure of your television series is against this.

Yeah.

And these are the points that have got to get across.

If you get them across, this would work for you.

If you don't get them across, you fail.

And that we're going to be watching again and judging him against this criterion rather than against the evidence of the moments or the reaction of the press afterwards.

I hope you would have let us know in a subtle way and then I have a whole document in the center for you that I can have a look at.

Do you know what I'm talking about?

I'm sure he does.

I've talked about it.

which it concerns would.

And the fact that she wanted to throw the brakes to throw us off the circle.

And the President was on television announcing, which the President clearly did not do.

According to him, the four of them are the ones who did it.

That record, hey, it's a fact.

That, I think, is an awful big part of it.

Oh, I know, I know.

I don't think he will.

What he's doing here, he's not doing it consciously.

I don't.

He believes in being honorable.

That's the word he got when he was in the press conference.

No, I don't like it.

The reason he doesn't use the press conference is because he knows it's unpopular.

Because they don't like it.

Exactly.

It's unpopular.

That's it.

I told him today, for example, about that.

I said, I'm not going to get a mention on that.

I said,

I don't want to have to see it.

I want to come home.

I want to go back to the United States.

I have to serve one day in jail.

Right?

And stay in Sweden.

And stay in Canada.

And I'm going to stay there.

I'm going to just put it in my hands.

Well, anyway, I think maybe I see your strategy in other words.

A little bright now.

A little bright?

The liquor comes back?

Yep.

Without being on time, you're learning a lot.

Huh?

He's a complex guy, this guy.

Don't think you've been too hard on it.

No, I don't think so.

Huh?

I don't think so.

I think he's got all this stuff through.

Yeah.

Start back up.

I might have put it up.

What's that?

I don't understand.

But does he have a co-driver?

I think he has a co-driver.

Yeah.

I think it's funny.

Scala, he said, he said, Rogers, you know, he's always had all these problems.

Scala's either Rogers or they, right?

And that wasn't funny, right?

I think he's like, no, right?

Realizing that there's not many of us in the mirror.

I didn't know.

Yeah.

He would have had no opportunity, whatever, unless I had given him a choice.

And I think that he thinks he's brought up the matter.

He's brought up all of it.

That's what he thinks.

He wants to do it.

He's such a good idea.

I think what is wrong is it's not a motivation.

It's the fact that there's no question of motivation.

I think what it is, deep down, he has a hunger.

He's crazy about it.

He has a lot.

New York, Los Angeles, Florida, Washington.

I heard that from the way I felt it.

That's the reason.

If I did, I think that's the point of the plot.

He's got a juice.

Right?

Or he's got a juice.

Get out.

You okay, guys?