{"conversationCode":"407-004","tapeNumber":407,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-407-004","startDateTime":"1973-01-23T21:09:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-23T21:10:00.000Z","startDate":"23-Jan-1973","startTime":"4:09 PM","endDate":"23-Jan-1973","endTime":"4:10 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On January 23, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:09 pm to 4:10 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 407-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.3","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part III","chronReleaseDate":"23-Jun-2009","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 407-4\n\nDate: January 23, 1973\nTime: 4:09 pm and 4:10 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 36-86]","filename":["407-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"407-003","nextCode":"407-005","transcript":[{"start":2.61,"end":19.72,"text":"But I just wanted you to be totally sure."},{"start":19.74,"end":22.72,"text":"And I will also call home and be sure to thank you on this."},{"start":22.74,"end":24.15,"text":"I ordered an arm of checkers and all of the sightings and all of that."},{"start":24.17,"end":24.63,"text":"I'm totally understood."},{"start":24.65,"end":25.07,"text":"I'm totally informed."},{"start":25.09,"end":25.83,"text":"I'm going to report you to my office."},{"start":25.85,"end":26.23,"text":"I have no concerns."},{"start":26.25,"end":29.45,"text":"And whatever, if there's any call, you can return to my office."},{"start":29.47,"end":30.05,"text":"There will be no other names."},{"start":35.28,"end":36.16,"text":"Thank you very much."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald L. Ziegler held a brief meeting to coordinate messaging and ensure mutual understanding regarding sensitive information. The conversation centered on the management of specific inquiries and the necessity of keeping communications restricted to a limited circle of individuals. Nixon emphasized the importance of total discretion as they aligned their strategy for handling forthcoming public or internal inquiries.","topics":["Public Relations","White House Communications","Confidentiality","Message Control","Staff Coordination"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T18:32:56.384Z"},"topicSlugs":["public-relations","white-house-communications","confidentiality","message-control","staff-coordination"],"audioDurationSec":42,"audioFiles":[{"file":"407-004.mp3","bytes":1012482,"durationSec":42.04,"bitrate":192670,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:46.738Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/407-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/407-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/407/conversation-407-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}