{"conversationCode":"409-005","tapeNumber":409,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-409-005","startDateTime":"1973-02-01T23:51:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-01T23:55:00.000Z","startDate":"1-Feb-1973","startTime":"6:51 PM","endDate":"1-Feb-1973","endTime":"6:55 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On February 1, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 6:51 pm to 6:55 pm. 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(President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"409-004","nextCode":"409-006","transcript":[{"start":0.27,"end":11.94,"text":"Ron."},{"start":11.96,"end":21.62,"text":"Oh, yes, good."},{"start":21.64,"end":23.54,"text":"And we met with the group of kitcheners for a half hour, and I met for another hour and a half."},{"start":23.56,"end":24.28,"text":"And we went a little bit after that."},{"start":24.3,"end":25.48,"text":"I just, I don't know, I don't know if I meant to show this."},{"start":26.09,"end":42.76,"text":"So I want to be sure that's up."},{"start":42.78,"end":42.88,"text":"Okay."},{"start":42.9,"end":43,"text":"Okay."},{"start":71.18,"end":81.37,"text":"Did they use any of these arrivals?"},{"start":84.96,"end":85.06,"text":"Good."},{"start":85.08,"end":85.18,"text":"Good."},{"start":87.54,"end":87.64,"text":"Good."},{"start":87.66,"end":87.76,"text":"Good."},{"start":87.78,"end":87.88,"text":"Good."},{"start":87.9,"end":88.46,"text":"Did you get that?"},{"start":88.48,"end":90.12,"text":"Did you handle that problem?"},{"start":90.14,"end":90.38,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":90.44,"end":90.54,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":90.56,"end":90.66,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":90.68,"end":93.81,"text":"It isn't really just a question of ."},{"start":119.2,"end":134.46,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":134.48,"end":134.58,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":149.59,"end":162.82,"text":"Good."},{"start":162.84,"end":162.94,"text":"Good."},{"start":162.96,"end":163.06,"text":"Good."},{"start":163.09,"end":163.19,"text":"Good."},{"start":163.21,"end":163.31,"text":"Fine."},{"start":163.32,"end":163.43,"text":"Fine."},{"start":163.44,"end":163.83,"text":"Can we finish this?"},{"start":163.85,"end":164.13,"text":"How did it go?"},{"start":197.25,"end":220.1,"text":"Sorry, I had all the work to do."},{"start":220.12,"end":220.68,"text":"I'm sure we didn't question."},{"start":220.7,"end":221.32,"text":"Oh, you and I are both on that."},{"start":221.34,"end":223.09,"text":"I'm just telling you this time to try to do the best we can in some of our points here."},{"start":241.58,"end":255.18,"text":"Well, we'll try to cure him now."},{"start":255.2,"end":255.3,"text":"Good."},{"start":255.32,"end":255.64,"text":"All right, fine."},{"start":255.66,"end":255.86,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler met to review the success of recent high-level meetings and discuss ongoing administrative priorities. 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