Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 409 › Conversation 409-020
Nixon, Colson & Howard on Watergate scandal and Vietnam War amnesty
Thursday, February 8, 1973 · 1:50 PM–2:15 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 21 min
AI Summary
President Nixon met with Charles W. Colson to review Colson’s recent media appearances regarding the Watergate scandal and his defense of administration policy, particularly concerning the Vietnam War and draft amnesty. The two men also discussed administrative staffing challenges for the second term, specifically focusing on appointments within the Treasury and Labor Departments and the importance of maintaining loyalty and control over agency leadership. Additionally, the President touched upon the ongoing Senate Watergate investigation and considered political strategies regarding potential high-profile party shifts involving figures like John Connally.
- Watergate scandal
- Vietnam War amnesty
- White House personnel
- Treasury Department
- Labor Department
- Media relations
- John B. Connally
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NARA Description
On February 8, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, unknown person(s), and W. Richard Howard met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:50 pm to 2:15 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 409-020 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 409-20
Date: February 8, 1973
Time: 1:50 pm - 2:15 pm
Location: Executive Office Building
The President met with Charles W. Colson.
Colson's appearance on National Broadcasting Corporation [NBC]
-Questions
-Watergate
-Washington Post story
-Colson's response
-Refusal
-Deposition
-Counselor’s advice
-Amnesty for Vietnam War era draft dodgers
-Colson's response
-Vindication
-Bill Monroe
-Press relations
-Openness
-Monroe
-The President’s sensitivity to criticism of Vietnam War policy
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Conversation No. 409-20 (cont’d)
-Colson’s response
-Richard (“Dick”) Wilson’s column
-Scorn
Amnesty
-Newspaper stories
-Moral education
-Abraham Lincoln's policy
-Civil War compared to Vietnam War
-Monroe
Polls
-Request for 1971, 1972 Presidential approval ratings
-Gallup
-Oval Office
Colson talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 1:50 pm and 2:15 pm.
[Conversation No. 409-20B]
[See Conversation No. 43-54]
Colson talked with Richard Howard at an unknown time between 1:50 and 2:15 pm.
[Conversation No. 409-20B]
[See Conversation No. 43-55]
[End of telephone conversation]
Second term reorganization
-Treasury Department
-The President’s conversation with George P. Shultz
-George D. Webster
-The President’s conversation with Colson [?]
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Conversation No. 409-20 (cont’d)
-Internal Revenue Service [IRS]
-Labor Department
-Peter J. Brennan
-H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
-Staffing, appointments
-Public appearance
-Staffing
-Frederic V. Malek
-Haldeman
-Shultz
-Donald F. Rodgers
-Cornell University degree
-Shultz
-Competence
-Congress
-Railroad strike
-Brennan’s schedule
-Bureaucracy
-Security
-Staffing of Labor and Treasury Departments
-Haldeman, Ehrlichman
-Shultz
-Use of Under Secretaries
-IRS Commissioner
-Webster
-Lee H. Henkel, Jr.
-Chief Counsel of IRS
-Richard F. Larsen [?]
-Loyalty
-Shultz’s preferences
-Webster
-Chief Counsel of IRS
Watergate investigation
-Senate
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Conversation No. 409-20 (cont’d)
-Hugh Scott
-Extent of Senate investigation
-1968 election
-Campaign practices
-San Francisco action against the President's campaign
-Paid rioters
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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]
John B. Connally
-Party registration
-Texas
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
-Charles H. Percy
-Nelson A. Rockefeller
-Charisma
[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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Colson left at 2:15 pm.Also recorded on February 8, 1973
- 853-013 1:19 PM · 16 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:19 pm and 1:21 pm.
- 853-014 1:21 PM · 17 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, John L. Campbell, John D. Ehrlichman, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., White House photographer, Jane Campbell, Charles J. DiBona, George P. Shultz, and Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:21 pm to 2:33 pm.
- 409-018 1:28 PM · 33 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Zosimo Monson met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:28 pm and 1:49 pm.
- 409-021 1:28 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:28 pm and 1:49 pm.
- 043-053 1:49 PM · 16 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 1:49 pm.
- 409-019 1:49 PM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at 1:49 pm.
- 043-054 1:50 PM · 13 sec — Charles W. Colson and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:50 pm and 2:15 pm.
- 043-055 1:50 PM · 1 min — Charles W. Colson and W. Richard Howard talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:50 pm and 2:15 pm.
Cite this conversation
Conversation 409-020, February 8, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/409-020 (accessed October 1, 2026).