{"conversationCode":"410-005","tapeNumber":410,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-410-005","startDateTime":"1973-03-13T18:49:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-13T18:50:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Mar-1973","startTime":"1:49 PM","endDate":"13-Mar-1973","endTime":"1:50 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On March 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:49 pm to 1:50 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 410-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 410-5\n\nDate: March 13, 1973\nTime: 1:49 pm and 1:50 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 43-68]","filename":["410-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"410-004","nextCode":"410-006","transcript":[{"start":6.19,"end":31.3,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":36.5,"end":39.14,"text":"Oh, I see."},{"start":40.75,"end":43.13,"text":"Well, they don't have, they're not struggling."},{"start":43.15,"end":44.48,"text":"I didn't say he had it."},{"start":44.49,"end":47.74,"text":"I said what I discussed with him."},{"start":47.76,"end":49.39,"text":"But I think it builds it up a little."},{"start":49.41,"end":52.09,"text":"When he wants to."},{"start":52.11,"end":54.62,"text":"As a matter of fact, it does."},{"start":54.64,"end":54.88,"text":"Or not."},{"start":58.22,"end":63.31,"text":"I'm over about 2.45 now."},{"start":63.33,"end":68.3,"text":"You will, uh, yeah."},{"start":68.74,"end":71.54,"text":"And I'll let you take a look at that, John."},{"start":71.56,"end":77.39,"text":"John, I'm not supposed to go away."},{"start":77.41,"end":78.3,"text":"This is the one that I'm absolutely sure of."},{"start":78.32,"end":78.52,"text":"All right."},{"start":78.54,"end":78.64,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":78.66,"end":78.86,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald L. Ziegler held a brief, cryptic discussion regarding the management of public perception and the status of certain unspecified information. The exchange centered on controlling narratives and building momentum for the administration's messaging. While the transcript is fragmented, the President emphasized the necessity of maintaining internal secrecy while coordinating the timing of their public disclosures.","topics":["Public relations","Media management","Information control","Strategic messaging"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T18:38:36.873Z"},"topicSlugs":["public-relations","media-management","information-control","strategic-messaging"],"audioDurationSec":92,"audioFiles":[{"file":"410-005.mp3","bytes":667648,"durationSec":91.65,"bitrate":58275,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:46.738Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/410-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/410-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/410/conversation-410-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}