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Conversation: 410-033

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Start Date: 15-Mar-1973 4:52 PM

End Date: 15-Mar-1973 5:43 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ehrlichman, John D.Nixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan)Bull, Stephen B.Sanchez, Manolo

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

410-033a.mp3

410-033b.mp3

NARA Description:

On March 15, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:52 pm to 5:43 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 410-033 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 410-33

Date: February 15, 1973
Time: 4:52 pm – 5:43 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman.

       Health

       Personnel
              -Henry A. Kissinger
                     -Successor to Peter G. Peterson on Soviet Trade Mission
                            -George P. Shultz
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. Sept.10)
                                                            Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)


                              -Frederick B. Dent
                              -Conflicts

The President talked with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon between 4:54 pm and 4:56 pm.

[Conversation No. 410-33A]

[See Conversation No. 43-99]

[End of telephone conversation]

       Personnel
              -Conflict over Peterson’s successor
                     -Negotiations with Soviet Union
                     -Shultz
                     -Kissinger
                     -Shultz’s meeting with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin

The President talked with Stephen B. Bull between 4:57 pm and 4:58 pm.

[Conversation No. 410-33B]

[See Conversation No. 43-100]

[End of telephone conversation]

       L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III
              -Notifications
              -Talk with James O. Eastland
              -Richard G. Kleindienst
                      -Support

       Shultz
                -Conflict with Kissinger
                -Dobrynin
                -Dent
                -Super cabinet concept
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                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Sept.10)
                                                           Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)



       Peter M. Flanigan
              -Trade package

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 4:58 pm.

       Refreshments

       Meeting with Bull
             -Schedule for barber

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 5:43 pm.

       White House staffing
             -Council on International Economic Policy [CIEP]
                     -Flanigan
                            -Trade
                            -Kissinger
             -Flanigan
                     -New assignment
                            -Shultz
                            -Cabinet meetings
             -Procedures
                     -Dwight D. Eisenhower’s administration [?]
                     -Cabinet officers
                     -President’s attendance at meetings
                            -Opening
             -Shultz
                     -Report on devaluation
                     -Trade
             -Spiro T. Agnew
             -Property Review Board
                     -Parks
                     -Chairman
                            -Donald H. Rumsfeld
                                     -Departure
                     -Domestic Council
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Sept.10)
                                                           Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)


                             -Merger
                      -Russell E. Train, Herbert Stein
                      -Anne L. Armstrong
                      -Ehrlichman’s role
                             -Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.
              -Kissinger
                      -Attendance at meetings
              -Shultz
                      -Trips
                      -John T. Dunlop
                             -Support
                             -President’s evaluation
                      -Stein
                             -Retirement
                      -Dunlop

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 4:58 pm.

       President’s schedule
              -Barber

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 5:43 pm.

       Watergate
             -Ehrlichman’s work
                    -California
                    -Energy paper

       Energy issues
             -Ehrlichman’s recommendations
                     -Complexity of topic
             -Deregulation of natural gas
                     -Russell B. Long
                     -New and old wells
                            -Exploration
                     -Impact on prices
                     -Necessity
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            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. Sept.10)
                                                        Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)


                      -Strategy
               -Reasons
                      -Low prices
               -Meeting with President
                      -Charles J. DiBona
                      -Avoidance of technicalities
       -Trip to Florida
               -Weather
                      -California
               -Meetings with Ehrlichman and DiBona
                      -Airplane
                      -Briefing

Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan’s
       -Speech to Harvard group
               -Copy to President
       -Contents
               -City College of New York
               -Harvard
                      -New blood
                      -Decline
                      -Eugene O’Neill’s The Hairy Ape
                      -Ideological initiative to the Left
                              -Stalinist Era
                                      -Adam Ulam

Abortion
       -James L. Buckley
              -Telephone call to Ehrlichman
       -Meeting of Catholic bishops
              -Excommunication
                      -Cooperation with Supreme Court decision
                      -Medical personnel
                      -“Civil disobedience”
       -Texas lawsuit
              -Amicus brief by administration
                      -Administration’s avoidance
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           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                             Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. Sept.10)
                                                   Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)


                    -Kleindienst
             -Role of federal government
                    -Political consequences
      -Kleindienst
             -Meeting with Buckley

Newbold (“Newby”) Noyes, Jr.
     -Conversation with Ehrlichman
     -Letter to President
     -Editorial
             -Support for President
                     -Budget and social programs
             -Tone
     -Meeting with President
             -Scheduling
             -Purpose
     -Washington Star’s problem
             -Black constituency
                     -Washington Daily News
             -Loss of money
                     -Washington Post competition
     -Washington newspapers
             -Comparison to New York Herald-Tribune
                     -New York Times
     -Discussions
             -Noyes’s opinions
                     -Advice on tone
     -Meeting with President
             -Scheduling

Rose Mary Woods
      -Talk with Ehrlichman
             -Ehrlichman’s talk with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman

Personnel
       -Patricia R. Hitt
               -ACTION position
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    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                      Tape Subject Log
                        (rev. Sept.10)
                                             Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)


       -Ehrlichman’s call
       -New job
       -Michael P. Balzano, Jr.
               -Desire for job
               -New majority
               -ACTION
                       -Women
               -Background
-Law Enforcement Assistance Administration [LEAA]
       -Haldeman
       -Administration
               -Edwin Meese, III
                       -Ronald W. Reagan
       -Donald E. Santarelli
               -Qualifications
               -John W. Dean, III
               -Minority counsel to Ervin Committee
                       -Experience
               -Qualities
               -Deficiencies
               -Dealings with Dean
                       -Samuel J. Ervin, Jr.
               -Howard H. Baker, Jr.
                       -Wally Johnson
       -Meese
       -Other candidates
               -Polish-Americans
       -Kleindienst
       -Polish-American or Irish-American
-Hitt
       -ACTION
       -Balzano
-Santarelli
       -State Department job
       -Minority counsel
       -State Department
               -Nelson G. Gross
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    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                      Tape Subject Log
                        (rev. Sept.10)
                                             Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)


                    -Narcotics job
                           -Qualifications
-Kleindienst
       -Polish-American
               -LEAA
               -Opposition
       -Prejudice
       -Gray
       -Polish-American
               -President’s commitment
-Santarelli
       -State Department
       -Baker
               -Minority counsel
               -Dean
       -State Department job
-Polish-American
       -LEAA
-Hitt
-Balzano
       -Job
       -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
       -Labor Department
               -Assistant Secretary
               -Peter J. Brennan
                       -Support
                       -Charles W. Colson
                       -Shultz
                               -Prejudice
                                      -Italians, Poles
                                      -Jews
                                              -Competence
-Blacks
       -Polish-Americans
       -Hilary J. Sandoval
-Romana Acosta Banuelos
       -Treasury Department
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           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                             Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. Sept.10)
                                                    Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)


               -Car
      -Risks
             -Polish-Americans, Italian-Americans, Catholics
             -Blacks
                     -Intelligence
      -Balzano
             -Call by Ehrlichman
             -ACTION
      -Brennan
             -Shultz
             -Balzano
                     -Position at Labor Department

White House staffing
      -President’s talk with Haldeman
             -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
             -United States Secret Service [USSS]
             -Woods
                      -Conversation with Helen A. Thomas
      -Robert H. (“Bob”) Taylor
      -William L. Duncan
             -Problem
             -Loyalty
      -Richard E. Keiser
      -Taylor
             -Talk with Ehrlichman
             -New job
      -Woods
             -Complaints
      -Duncan
             -New job
                      -Reasons
             -Political sensitivities
                      -Rufus Youngblood
                      -Lyndon B. Johnson
             -Field experience
             -Woods
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                NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. Sept.10)
                                                             Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)


                           -Conflict with Dwight L. Chapin
                   -Haldeman
                           -Buffer role
                           -Lawrence M. Higby
                                   -Cole
                                   -Bull
                                   -Telephone skills
                                          -Compared to Bull
           -Haldeman
                   -Assistants
                           -Higby
                                   -Problems
                           -Terrance O’Donnell
                                   -Personality
                   -Relationship with White House staff
           -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
                   -Staff dining areas
                           -Rules
                           -Gen. Walter R. Tkach
                           -Officers, doctors, military aides
                           -Restricted seating
                                   -Higby
                           -Haldeman’s dining rules
                                   -Doctors, officers, military aides
                                          -Location
                                   -USSS, secretaries
                                   -Dr. William M. Lukash
                                   -President’s view
                                   -Origins
           -Airplane trips


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[National security]
[Duration: 2m 11s]
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. Sept.10)
                                                               Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)


       AIR FORCE ONE

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
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       White House staff
             -Air Force One
                    -Redesign
                            -Cost
                            -Lt. Col. Ralph D. Albertazzi
             -Respect for staff
                    -Haldeman
             -Mess dining
                    -Haldeman
                            -Eating in office
                    -Ehrlichman’s habits
                    -Complaints by staff
                    -Segregation by military rank
                            -Officers, doctors, aides, helicopter pilots
                            -Higby
                            -Reasons
             -Complaints
                    -Secretaries
                            -Visit from President

Ehrlichman left at 5:43 pm.