Conversation: 410-033
Prev: 410-032 Next: 410-034Start Date: Thursday, March 15, 1973 9:52 PM
End Date: Thursday, March 15, 1973 10:43 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.; Nixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan); Bull, Stephen B.; Sanchez, ManoloRecording Device: Old Executive Office Building
NARA Description:
On March 15, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:52 pm to 5:43 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 410-033 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 410-33
Date: February 15, 1973
Time: 4:52 pm – 5:43 pm
Location: Executive Office Building
The President met with John D. Ehrlichman.
Health
Personnel
-Henry A. Kissinger
-Successor to Peter G. Peterson on Soviet Trade Mission
-George P. Shultz
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Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)
-Frederick B. Dent
-Conflicts
The President talked with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon between 4:54 pm and 4:56 pm.
[Conversation No. 410-33A]
[See Conversation No. 43-99]
[End of telephone conversation]
Personnel
-Conflict over Peterson’s successor
-Negotiations with Soviet Union
-Shultz
-Kissinger
-Shultz’s meeting with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
The President talked with Stephen B. Bull between 4:57 pm and 4:58 pm.
[Conversation No. 410-33B]
[See Conversation No. 43-100]
[End of telephone conversation]
L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III
-Notifications
-Talk with James O. Eastland
-Richard G. Kleindienst
-Support
Shultz
-Conflict with Kissinger
-Dobrynin
-Dent
-Super cabinet concept
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
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Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)
Peter M. Flanigan
-Trade package
Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 4:58 pm.
Refreshments
Meeting with Bull
-Schedule for barber
Sanchez left at an unknown time before 5:43 pm.
White House staffing
-Council on International Economic Policy [CIEP]
-Flanigan
-Trade
-Kissinger
-Flanigan
-New assignment
-Shultz
-Cabinet meetings
-Procedures
-Dwight D. Eisenhower’s administration [?]
-Cabinet officers
-President’s attendance at meetings
-Opening
-Shultz
-Report on devaluation
-Trade
-Spiro T. Agnew
-Property Review Board
-Parks
-Chairman
-Donald H. Rumsfeld
-Departure
-Domestic Council
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Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)
-Merger
-Russell E. Train, Herbert Stein
-Anne L. Armstrong
-Ehrlichman’s role
-Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.
-Kissinger
-Attendance at meetings
-Shultz
-Trips
-John T. Dunlop
-Support
-President’s evaluation
-Stein
-Retirement
-Dunlop
Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 4:58 pm.
President’s schedule
-Barber
Sanchez left at an unknown time before 5:43 pm.
Watergate
-Ehrlichman’s work
-California
-Energy paper
Energy issues
-Ehrlichman’s recommendations
-Complexity of topic
-Deregulation of natural gas
-Russell B. Long
-New and old wells
-Exploration
-Impact on prices
-Necessity
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Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)
-Strategy
-Reasons
-Low prices
-Meeting with President
-Charles J. DiBona
-Avoidance of technicalities
-Trip to Florida
-Weather
-California
-Meetings with Ehrlichman and DiBona
-Airplane
-Briefing
Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan’s
-Speech to Harvard group
-Copy to President
-Contents
-City College of New York
-Harvard
-New blood
-Decline
-Eugene O’Neill’s The Hairy Ape
-Ideological initiative to the Left
-Stalinist Era
-Adam Ulam
Abortion
-James L. Buckley
-Telephone call to Ehrlichman
-Meeting of Catholic bishops
-Excommunication
-Cooperation with Supreme Court decision
-Medical personnel
-“Civil disobedience”
-Texas lawsuit
-Amicus brief by administration
-Administration’s avoidance
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Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)
-Kleindienst
-Role of federal government
-Political consequences
-Kleindienst
-Meeting with Buckley
Newbold (“Newby”) Noyes, Jr.
-Conversation with Ehrlichman
-Letter to President
-Editorial
-Support for President
-Budget and social programs
-Tone
-Meeting with President
-Scheduling
-Purpose
-Washington Star’s problem
-Black constituency
-Washington Daily News
-Loss of money
-Washington Post competition
-Washington newspapers
-Comparison to New York Herald-Tribune
-New York Times
-Discussions
-Noyes’s opinions
-Advice on tone
-Meeting with President
-Scheduling
Rose Mary Woods
-Talk with Ehrlichman
-Ehrlichman’s talk with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
Personnel
-Patricia R. Hitt
-ACTION position
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
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Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)
-Ehrlichman’s call
-New job
-Michael P. Balzano, Jr.
-Desire for job
-New majority
-ACTION
-Women
-Background
-Law Enforcement Assistance Administration [LEAA]
-Haldeman
-Administration
-Edwin Meese, III
-Ronald W. Reagan
-Donald E. Santarelli
-Qualifications
-John W. Dean, III
-Minority counsel to Ervin Committee
-Experience
-Qualities
-Deficiencies
-Dealings with Dean
-Samuel J. Ervin, Jr.
-Howard H. Baker, Jr.
-Wally Johnson
-Meese
-Other candidates
-Polish-Americans
-Kleindienst
-Polish-American or Irish-American
-Hitt
-ACTION
-Balzano
-Santarelli
-State Department job
-Minority counsel
-State Department
-Nelson G. Gross
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Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)
-Narcotics job
-Qualifications
-Kleindienst
-Polish-American
-LEAA
-Opposition
-Prejudice
-Gray
-Polish-American
-President’s commitment
-Santarelli
-State Department
-Baker
-Minority counsel
-Dean
-State Department job
-Polish-American
-LEAA
-Hitt
-Balzano
-Job
-Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
-Labor Department
-Assistant Secretary
-Peter J. Brennan
-Support
-Charles W. Colson
-Shultz
-Prejudice
-Italians, Poles
-Jews
-Competence
-Blacks
-Polish-Americans
-Hilary J. Sandoval
-Romana Acosta Banuelos
-Treasury Department
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Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)
-Car
-Risks
-Polish-Americans, Italian-Americans, Catholics
-Blacks
-Intelligence
-Balzano
-Call by Ehrlichman
-ACTION
-Brennan
-Shultz
-Balzano
-Position at Labor Department
White House staffing
-President’s talk with Haldeman
-Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
-United States Secret Service [USSS]
-Woods
-Conversation with Helen A. Thomas
-Robert H. (“Bob”) Taylor
-William L. Duncan
-Problem
-Loyalty
-Richard E. Keiser
-Taylor
-Talk with Ehrlichman
-New job
-Woods
-Complaints
-Duncan
-New job
-Reasons
-Political sensitivities
-Rufus Youngblood
-Lyndon B. Johnson
-Field experience
-Woods
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
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Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)
-Conflict with Dwight L. Chapin
-Haldeman
-Buffer role
-Lawrence M. Higby
-Cole
-Bull
-Telephone skills
-Compared to Bull
-Haldeman
-Assistants
-Higby
-Problems
-Terrance O’Donnell
-Personality
-Relationship with White House staff
-Julie Nixon Eisenhower
-Staff dining areas
-Rules
-Gen. Walter R. Tkach
-Officers, doctors, military aides
-Restricted seating
-Higby
-Haldeman’s dining rules
-Doctors, officers, military aides
-Location
-USSS, secretaries
-Dr. William M. Lukash
-President’s view
-Origins
-Airplane trips
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[National security]
[Duration: 2m 11s]
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Conversation No. 410-33 (cont’d)
AIR FORCE ONE
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
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White House staff
-Air Force One
-Redesign
-Cost
-Lt. Col. Ralph D. Albertazzi
-Respect for staff
-Haldeman
-Mess dining
-Haldeman
-Eating in office
-Ehrlichman’s habits
-Complaints by staff
-Segregation by military rank
-Officers, doctors, aides, helicopter pilots
-Higby
-Reasons
-Complaints
-Secretaries
-Visit from President
Ehrlichman left at 5:43 pm.