{"conversationCode":"411-004","tapeNumber":411,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-411-004","startDateTime":"1973-02-20T20:14:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-20T20:17:00.000Z","startDate":"20-Feb-1973","startTime":"3:14 PM","endDate":"20-Feb-1973","endTime":"3:17 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On February 20, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:14 pm to 3:17 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 411-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 411-4\n\nDate: February 20, 1973\nTime: 3:14 pm - 3:17 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 43-118]","filename":["411-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"411-003","nextCode":"411-005","transcript":[{"start":2.7,"end":12.23,"text":"Ron, I've been thinking about that."},{"start":12.26,"end":22.15,"text":"I wonder if we aren't floating too much in."},{"start":22.17,"end":23.04,"text":"I wonder if we aren't floating too much in."},{"start":35.01,"end":58.2,"text":"... ... ... ..."},{"start":69.64,"end":85.27,"text":"Well, that's what we had, that's what we had thought, that's what I wanted to do."},{"start":85.3,"end":98.79,"text":"You see, the only other time I could build a vehicle in Wensley, but if I went to Wensley, I don't want to compete with the economics, but still, you don't ever track on the story, you don't watch the story, you read it."},{"start":99.16,"end":119.19,"text":"I think it's, we don't want to get them to kind of have to do all the research for a breath of air."},{"start":119.21,"end":119.67,"text":"I think that's true."},{"start":119.69,"end":120.66,"text":"Hey, that would have been a quick day of it."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler discuss media strategy and the risk of over-saturating the press with information. Nixon expresses concern regarding the volume of material provided to journalists and seeks to refine how the administration manages the narrative. The brief exchange highlights the President’s focus on controlling the flow of information to avoid media exhaustion or negative competitive coverage.","topics":["Media relations","Public relations","White House messaging","Press strategy","Information management"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T18:43:34.147Z"},"topicSlugs":["media-relations","public-relations","white-house-messaging","press-strategy","information-management"],"audioDurationSec":142,"audioFiles":[{"file":"411-004.mp3","bytes":1079296,"durationSec":141.59,"bitrate":60982,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:46.739Z","transcriptGapSeconds":59,"transcriptGapShare":0.41,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/411-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/411-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/411/conversation-411-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}