On February 26, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and David N. Parker met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 12:23 pm to 2:36 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 413-022 of the White House Tapes.
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What do you have there?
So what do you calculate from there?
What do you see?
The only question on there is after the press conference tomorrow whether you want to receive it or not.
That's called a delegate report.
You may just put it on Facebook.
It currently is leaving on the 28th of September.
Okay.
Alright.
Well, that's alright.
And then tomorrow, what time do you want to do the press conference?
I don't know that.
Okay, I'm sorry.
We're going to put it in a four so you can do it in three.
We're going to put it in a ten.
We're going to do it that way.
and then speculate earlier that I could use another opinion.
And I was like, no.
What about the blood rate?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean, I don't know if any of the aeronauticals is not concerned about getting into that kind of question.
Yeah, the question of what you do on that is, unless you want to have one.
Well, I don't want to have it on that.
I wish I had one.
Probably.
Well, we may.
What else could be?
Well, if I do have a little left, I can do some things in the afternoon.
I'm not trying to build a stable.
I'm just saying I don't need a restaurant.
It really is a nice study.
The other thing is that we did, with Bob, take me off.
So that's the sort of thing you can call down on Zoom, log in, or log through.
There's no problem with that.
That's not a problem.
But, you know, at least sometimes over the other year, you might consider doing that in the year that you may not want to stay.
And I don't give any time for that.
Now that, when would that be done?
I better find that out.
Do an ad, you know.
Yeah, that's what she was suggesting.
That's what you said, to see if you could do it.
What do they want?
I don't give a damn what it's trying to do with the market.
It's better than anything.
They're going to be in all day.
They will be in at least until Tuesday.
Well, it's better to get them done.
Well, it's all the better times that we do it.
Okay, perfect.
I know I don't want the list of those that I'm supposed to see.
These are people that are recommended to us.
How many are there?
Well, they have them all come in there.
What's the deal on the school administrators planning?
I'd prefer to do it before the luncheon.
I'll do it at 11.
Or 11.30.
If you have an afternoon session, that's the last day.
We've got things to change.
We know you're going to run out of things to change every morning.
We, I mean, as you well understand, we're not going to stay and worry about it until the morning.
I'd like to avoid all those things.
I don't know if that's part of your policy, but it indicates it, right?
So in the morning, maybe it's 9 o'clock, 9 o'clock, 9 o'clock, 9 o'clock, we're not going to do that.
We're going to run out of things to change every morning.
We're not going to come back.
We've got several people in and out of there.
I wonder if they're going to give us a recommendation.
I'd like a recommendation, say, by the end of the day, Tuesday, right?
So that she might be down by about 5 o'clock.
And I'll do the speech that night and see how well I propose.
I'll do the speech that night.
I need more time.
I would like to do it then.
We'll announce it in the morning.
Figuring that time separation.
Yes, sir.
Well, that'll be in 12-3-12.
Got it.
Three o'clock, that's the best of times.
That was that night.
There might have been things around where we could have talked about earlier, but along that line, it's just gross wood shifting we needed right now.
I want to share what I've noticed here.
So we have that one, we can work that in 2D every now and then if you want.
And what else do we do help with stuff?
And about the API, we just got the time, we got the time to use the app, and it's probably, you know, four or maybe even maybe three.
Either four or three so that I can make it an extra RMP.
Well, unless you have, uh, retrieved by as long as, if necessary, but some of it not, because I've got other people I have to work with.
I'm thirsty, but yeah, I'm going to leave you a look.
You know, a rifle might come a little close in time.
At 30, I would not schedule anything this morning.
I'll have to work on that.
I don't know.
I guess, okay.
But he had to work on it.
They should have it once a week, but they don't want to have any fun on it or anything like that.
A lot of the days you see that people come in and have other things done like that.
Whatever, if they're cracking it, it'll be worth it.
I take care of everything.
I took the NSC on Friday.
Probably going back.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
Part of it.
I'd rather get that over with on Friday.
You've got all of Friday anyway.
What else is on Friday?
Just a couple of winter things.
Sure, but what I mean is, what you can figure in the Tested Council thing Friday at a box or something like that,
take another Friday morning and have a couple hours in there.
Well, when will he be here so we can get it done before?
They said they wouldn't be ready for it.
I don't know.
Let it go.
Let it go.
Then do something else.
Sometimes you have to get some other people in.
Right.
And also, Steve, take a
It's Saturday morning, about a couple hours is necessary for it.
But you just work it out.
You just work it out.
You don't have to sleep, but you work it out.
Apparently this man just got about four flights before he got to sleep.
It's a good time to get some of that in.
I'm trying to decide next time.
We've got a few events for next week.
Can you give a little summary for this week?
Sure, sure.
Some of those events we're not going to want to do.
I understand that.
Once you get the rest of the group together, we're going to try.
I'm going to hang into the Prime Minister.
I'm going to pin my hands.
No, only question there is because they're going to get independence, do you think you would have the bond split if you go for some reason or other?
I was thinking we're going to start with bilateral parts, but that depends on how you're going to call.
There's no pressure on that.
Bill?
We haven't checked with him yet.
We've got to check him and see if he thinks so.
That would be the only reason to charge him.
I don't know.
Well, he's a bad dog.
In other words, Robert isn't aware of that.
I don't know what he says.
I don't know what he says.
I don't know what he says.
I don't know what he says.
I don't know what he says.
I don't know whether that really was justified.
He probably had with the second lady the pattern of not doing it, but he used an egg.
He spent about, I suppose he could have given it to the medical one for a while.
Because he was dependent on the military aid.
He didn't have to do that.
Well, at least he got all the assistance to the second gentleman to give him his job done.
And the last four years, he was a German.
So he went out and dressed just as a schoolgirl did.
Why don't we get this, this is my grave and I haven't done this ever in my history.
Scope crossings, you know, and I just feel that those things are basically not, we do a lot of things.
That's the trouble, is he raised the body.
Let's just pick up from back when you said you did a scope crossings.
So just having Andover without the Joint Chiefs and all that bullshit, you just kind of did not get the medal.
You didn't make your day.
You just went your own way.
But I don't want the Joint Chiefs coming over and all that crap.
Okay, earlier we were requested to meet with Lieutenant Corporals here.
This is one federal women's board that you've done a couple of times, didn't do last year.
The only reason we put that one in is because I did as the chairman of it.
I'll determine that after I see it.
I just think we won't do that.
Is she asking for it?
I'll see her.
I'll probably see her.
I'll let you know.
But you have to tell me your voice.
I'm actually going to do it now.
All right.
Do I have to shake hands with them?
I guess so.
Just make some comments.
Well, it's a little hard to get in and out.
That's your problem.
It is a big dam and a big effort.
But I should not do their dinner, either one this year.
There's no reason to get the veterans in.
There's a lot of problems.
Does anybody talk to them yet about that deal?
No, I've got another one.
I talked to Louie about it.
Yeah.
He says that won't work.
He says it's going to be a hell of a problem.
He says if we do it that way, they'll get out.
So we've got to set it up.
Why didn't we just say it?
On that basis, work it out with Johnson so he understands.
Johnson should understand that we are going to keep states on.
And we're going to put a BMW man in there.
And that's it.
We just know that too.
Now the other thing you can feel is that Rose, who is in the neutral that they wanted to become the director, is going to have to resign because he's going to be out thinking against us.
He's not going to be able to stay in motion against us.
He's going to be on a high level of pressure.
He's going to let the FW have something to put on the deputy now, and then push him up where there's a chance that they're pushing him up or dealing with some other man who would be able to get away with it.
That's a good deal for them.
I have no problem with that.
The agent is going to get it fine.
I'm pretty damn sure.
Okay.
No, it's no problem.
I just meant it wasn't very pleasant for them.
What are we going to do?
Congratulate them or accept them?
Right.
I'm sure they have a lot of motion.
... ... ... ...
Although it's been recognized in the policy that A&C, according to the message, doesn't generate that, it's only recommended that you see it in the morning.
I see John Irwin there.
He has a large group of friends.
Who?
Irwin.
Irwin, sir.
Thank you.
The 1972-73 boy had stomachs.
No, no, no, no.
Goddamn no.
I know those people are good and everything like that, but that's just too low a level of money for me to agree.
I needed people to work, but I don't know who they are.
They're still here.
Great guy.
They've just been on a tour.
They're coming on a tour.
Somewhere in the area you ought to see them.
All right.
What do you have to do now?
I don't have it set up, but I have to make stations go up or something like that.
What is it?
They're on tour right now.
They can report back to you on the tour.
Oh, yeah.
I'm not going to sit and talk with them right now.
That's what you're talking about.
Is that what it is?
What are you going to report?
I have, why the hell not just have them come in, have the whole group come in, the president say it's quite a nice day to get into the Oval Office.
That's right.
Right.
I don't want, I just don't want a conversation.
I don't do anything.
I mean, I think they're buying people, yes, but I've talked to them.
They just order their heads when they're starting to come in.
They just, well, everybody else, they get a damn good drink.
Yeah.
Fine by everyone else.
They get an answer for us when they get out.
All right.
Good.
That's the way to do it.
Picture.
Picture, and I'll say something.
But I had to, just so you don't get the repression, I didn't mean to.
I remember when Malik brought them in about eight, nine months ago.
That was the head of change every year.
You sure it wasn't the same thing?
Yeah.
We can do this instead.
He doesn't know the other.
I know every year.
I don't mind.
Okay.
I'll have Rachel Biden introduce them all.
I know they're good people.
Question.
I'm going to leave it to you.
And we do White House balls, but we do about equally important people balls that are out of the White House.
These aren't out of the White House.
White House fellowship programs, they go close up around the agency.
I don't know what I'm doing with that.
There are other programs and other agencies that are in there, but they aren't equally important.
They'd be glad to add you to the center.
The value of these is that I need to pick them.
I know they are good.
They are good.
I've been here for years and they are not the ones that I just be sure I haven't talked to before.
I'm sure it doesn't drag your group.
Yes, sir.
We'll see.
I want to picture exactly what they all want.
I want to have a picture and see what they are.
I'll see.
I'll take a picture.
That's what I'm going to take.
I'll see.
I'll take a picture.
I'll take a picture.
I'll take a picture.
I'll take a picture.
I'll take a picture.
I'll take a picture.
I'll take a picture.
I'll take a picture.
I'll take a picture.
On the other hand, you've got to get
The first part of the way to the street is the NSC.
Lawford, by the way, is a major city.
We've got to get some roads.
The NSC, we've got to have another leader if you think about it.
Tuesday.
Yeah.
Tuesday.
Well, one thing about NSC, you know, we've knocked off the business of having Schultz and the idea that next official, you know, we're going to have Harry Carroll no longer as we have the Secretary of the Treasury no longer, you know, Schultz is there, you know, he's there to serve you.
The subject is on, is subject, might be done on the UDM, but we're cutting down the NSC and the leaders.
We're only, it's got to be clear, it's got to be present.
Got it.
And that means that the, those of you who are trying to hire on the treasury have been members previously for a reason.
I've been a long time, so I don't want to be a part of it that way.
This is about salt, for example.
I don't want to show this, but it is.
It is on, this is one where it will be lettered in.
It will be lettered in.
That would be perfect.
Now, what you're saying is that Scali is going to attend the embassy.
Oh, it's the captain.
All captains.
You know, they're going to say, oh, they're going to go all the time.
That would be perfect.
That would be perfect.
So he is expected to order it on the embassy.
That would be perfect.
Scali raised the question of whether it can be cut away out of standards, you know, for state vendors.
Oh sure, he'll be invited like other members of the cabinet, and that's one of you.
He was wondering about it on the same basis as just your attendance.
No, no, no, no, that's not what it is.
It's just Peter Rogers, you know, he won't put you in as ambassador and everyone else.
But he'll be included on some, in other words, for example, he'll be included on his dinner, and he'll be included on the media package, and John's in April.
And I have no idea that somebody always comes, except, I guess, for some Christian Rogers.
It's no longer viable.
I don't want to add to that list.
I feel like we'll be invited together again.
But because we were perceiving them in such an awesome way, there's no such thing as a state of realization of death and that is for the worship service.
I told her that while we were at the road today, back in California, I said to her,
We have them there on occasion.
We may invite them, like we invite cabinet people, so other people can see them.
But nobody is going to be invited.
Once you've been to one, until we get through, the mortgage tax goes to $400.
And that's absolutely right.
My thinking about it is that why should the same
Oh, they all do.
They do.
And that's, and incidentally the same is true of the White House staff people.
Now you're going to definitely see the lives of various people who come to this event.
They don't come anymore.
They come all the way, and don't let them run here.
They come all the way.
They are needed for others.
And I agree with it, just as I began talking to the governor, he's got the role.
What they've already had at the cabin.
If they're a big metal house, we've had it at the cabin.
We've had it at the cabin.
And the governor's too.
The governor's a loner to the place.
We're really just not going to argue about that.
There was another one there.
The governor said, for the Jewish dinner, there's no room for that man.
That's not what I'm saying.
Oh, the Morris fans group?
I agree with the, but on that statement, also, not that, but for the end of the, for the end of the game, I mean, our cabinet people, the White House cabinet people, would have done it if it weren't for the end of the game.
Don't you agree, Bob?
Is there anybody?
Stand around, dance, talk to them later.
Anybody on dinners?
Do you get a guy on Perugia who feels it's good more to be here than to go around and be seen or something?
You don't have to eat dinner.
You can go there for the reception.
Then put on a mask and go across the street or go out like that.
But then come back to the entertainment.
We just have a terrible spot.
That's right.
I've devised it in Perugia.
It's a very special place.
And it's a very original reason.
I mean, think about the government.
It's not a disgraceful thing.
Well, the government is saying, for example, let's just be goddamn sure it's full.
In other words, the cabinet, if they don't, if you have coal on the government, does anybody want to do a foreign policy or is it just going to be free from the national policy?
I don't know.
Maybe we'd better find out because it's my thought to talk about foreign policy that night.
There's no sense about that.
There's no sense about that.
But anyway, so tell nobody else, don't have to read the whole thing.
Unless it's on the program, obviously we're going to cut it off the program.
But as I say, with the governors, I think it could be very useful then to add White House staff people so you can fill the role.
I think it would be close to 100,000.
All right.
Don't get it too full, but my point is that if, for example, you have only 90 people, you're going to have round tables, and you're going to do a little more.
Now, we're going to have the entertainment in the room, then, aren't we, sir?
That's the argument for the argument, of course, but it's not more than that.
Yeah, I'll have the change.
And off we go.
I think we're going to even comment on coal, and there are other people who are going to put people like us on the ship.
And he always wanted to bring money to some people, but not this one.
He didn't have the money, he didn't have the office name on it.
How did he get the guy with the red sat on it?
I don't know.
Where else did he come from?
Oh, that runs the office.
No.
Oh, there's another one.
Where's the code?
There's another name.
Another name.
You're right.
That runs the office.
That runs the office.
You don't have to buy all the things to be there.
Fong.
Fong.
Jim Fong.
Jim Fong.
Jim Fong.
Jim Fong.
Maybe he's a fellow with a big heavy telephone.
Yeah.
Yes, sir.
Maybe the other thing is that he's incapable of that.
Apparently so.
He's going right here and there, and very much so.
I wish he could have been the same person.
He's much greater than he looks.
No, I just didn't know.
I don't know.
It's a hard job.
It's a hard job, and I could have done a good job.
If you get him from Edmond, you don't necessarily have to do it with Mr. George's general.
Well, you see, there's the other thing.
The governor's got an office here.
The head of the office and other things.
Those guys are terribly important.
The bureaucrats don't have an association.
Don't have an association.
That could be a guy you can count on.
Just take the head of the government.
Because otherwise, if only they had got 38 staff people.
If you think of anybody else bothered, they'd love to see.
Early in the cold, of course.
The main thing on these ghosts is you go in and you've got to handle the bros in a way that she doesn't think we're forcing something on her.
The trouble with so many of these things, they go in and they say that I'm ordered this or that or the other thing.
Don't do it that way.
We can work with them in this level way.
I'm not sure what kind of misguidance, but I'm sitting here listening to that.
I've never spent time in a tent in a working capacity such as yesterday.
This was my oversight.
I didn't have any congressional relations people at the church service.
I should have had titties and horrors.
You don't have to be receiving one portion.
They need to take up seats.
They need to take up seats at all times.
Although they could do that as well.
Well, there's always a big fallout.
And we're going to have to find a way to do that.
I'd like to be, go ahead sir.
What was the situation on that one?
They had a number of about 30, 20, 30 people.
And the 26 did not show up, sir.
Who had accepted?
26 times 2, 54.
No, sir.
13.
Okay.
13.
Oh.
We ended up at 237.
We're expecting 30.
13 cars, but anybody who steps and doesn't show without a department should not be here.
That wasn't the future.
Obviously.
I don't want to write about those.
Bob, what?
I agree with you.
What else?
Part of it is we let it down quickly by letting it become automatic and by sort of letting anybody drop in and call at the last minute.
And so it became a thing where you didn't have to, it wasn't like an invitation that you would regret if you weren't coming.
You know that there's a food service like a dinner or something.
So people have to say, that should be the same level of event as anything else you've done, right?
Well, it's a hell of a thing.
I don't know.
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I know, I know, but I was thinking that we could go around the state and say, well, there's a long time here.
Rather than keep checking around the White House and have somebody look at the White House and say, we've got it.
It's all fine.
I know what we're doing.
Tonight, someone has to check with them and say, Bill, if you've got some Congressmen to go for, or Senators, there's still a lot of heat on.
Brittany is still heading to that.
In other words, I want to stand by a list of congressmen and senators so that we don't get incestuous.
Obviously, if you look at it from a perspective, we want to see the women in government, or we want to see Senator Long, or we want to see Senator Long, right?
But if you just say, because you live in a government museum, and it relates to some other kind of hierarchy, for example, it doesn't look very strong.
You might sit down, you just sit down and say, I don't care, we're not going to do business, but what is the situation on the senators and congressmen, and particularly on that business of the OIP?
That's what it means, what it means a lot to these people.
What I'm encouraging you to do is face that instead of getting into substance abuse.
Basically, what I'm looking for is to avoid something that could be, where is this guy going to bring his money?
Never let him do it twice.
But if they come in, I don't think that's good.
If somebody says they'd like to bring somebody in and it's going to be loose, then bring it in.
We'll try to get more towards those color events, not some color events that have nothing to do with the copper clean, the cherry blossom.
These don't help us a bit, but they help with that.
That's the purpose of this figure that we pulled up.
All these things, let me tell you, you don't have to ask me about the individual things.
I mean, unless it's something like that award you for the winner, that is a policy matter.
That's what I'm talking about.
I mean, I know that Marjane's got a list of people, great.
I know a little bit of them have some money on their hands.
You've got to work with them.
I know that you've got to work with them.
You've got to develop a personal knowledge.
You've got to be able to say goodbye to them.
And where you do have problems, or if you've got an F-bomb in the middle, you can say goodbye.
I've gone early the same thing.
Where you, if there's a bunch in Sydney, or a ministry, or an administrator of ecology, or Puerto Rico, or something like that, then ask me.
Because there, Henry will be trying to break through our issues with us.
Thank you.
A lot of the Irish guy wants to bring in his chaplain.
Of course, he always comes in every year.
He may not be able to turn it that way.
Yeah.
Our family is helpless.
That's a good question.
We're right now.
Right.
Well, what are we going to do?
I don't know.
We're pursuing other avenues, including reason to help.
I haven't checked out, so I don't know about her.
That's a big problem.
That would be a problem.
What about the Romans?
Well, the Romans won't do anything.
They haven't said anything.
We better not get the invitations out until we know we're going to get somebody.
We better part of the camp and get somebody.
Who's working on it?
Let's see what Jeff and I are working on.
Really?
Jesus Christ, man.
He's just got to do it.
All over again.
I love you.
I love you.
I love you too.
The problem is we don't have one person.
I don't know where it is.
I don't know if you're here, but all I see is Lisa Minnelli with Christy.
We don't know her that well.
We don't know what kind of music she can do, a one-person show and all that sort of thing.
I haven't seen her.
I haven't seen her.
That's why I said to me, if she does a drug process, how long?
I said, if she can do the show, that's the question.
That's the question that I wanted to ask.
I said, if she can do the show, that's the question that I wanted to ask.
He doesn't know any specifics other than the president wants to have a meeting.
Why don't we just do it anyway?
He apparently doesn't mind if you give it to him.
That's a little more conceivable.
I thought I had to do it.
If you forget the show put on, what the hell, we've got to get an orchestra then.
We've got to have people perform our piece for the show, you know, the whole piece is early camp.
Well then, Philip, do the show, put an evening on our camp, and if he's unable to come, we've got to listen.
If the guy's that old, you've got to listen.
He's going to be touching good with whatever you do.
That's right.
Just do it on our camp.
I think I kept to say it was on our early camp.
That's where you have to...
Let's go forward on it.
Even though he can't talk, let's go forward on it.
Fair enough.
Have him send the next weekend representative.
Well, he could send a representative to a receiver.
Or the other thing is to make a videotape of it.
Which we will send to him.
Videotape.
Which we will send to him.
That would be important.
That would be fine.
Right.
The other end saying thank you.
That's good.
Thank you.
Should we announce the 9-3-2?
Sure.
At this point?
Yes.
Sure.
That would be it.
That would be it.
I think Terry distinguished himself in the same way.
I don't know.
Terry Todd is in the same.
In his case, he should be the same.
We've only got four people that have been pulled out of their way out of the theater, all over the country.
You know, we didn't give her a 60.
We did send Golden to General Yellen.
Oh, yes, sir.
And Mr. and Mrs. Charles.
What else?
We just say we're limiting the battles to people that we should.
Very, very little.
There are no conspiracies about it at all.
The other medal, which we should hit the lunch with the President, says that those five names are back in the search process to find one very especially qualified professional.
It probably establishes as the present as the middle and it's confused by it.
Yeah, I mean, it doesn't make a hell of a lot of difference.
These are supposed to be people who are not held in public mind.
Nobody's going to give them play anyway.
It's just a nice thing to do for them to get local play.
They don't get local play in each of their cities.
So let's have that.
Let's set it up for them.
I don't care about it.
But I don't want to bring big things out of it, you see.
I don't think that's hunting me.
You can't take five people that nobody knows and have some of them in each room.
That's the thing that I do.
I love her.
She's a very grateful person.
I'm in the office.
I'm in the office.
Don't try to overblow something.
That friend of mine, we may wish to do this person one day.
Little red, he said, he wanted to establish violence.
Do it in the dining room.
Not the eastern room.
Or the blue room.
You know, something like that.
Just don't put it in a huge place when people sit around you.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, I agree.
I hate the dining room.
I hate the dining room.
You will talk to Kevin, so that he can see that you can get his... Because he's got it in his arm, so he's going to help me out, you know, trying to handle all of this.
We're going to help him out on that.
so he doesn't learn scott or know that this is available.
Otherwise, scott and ford would be on there too.
Some of them would say this one.
Some of them would say this one.
Some of them would say this one.
Some of them would say this one.
Some of them would say this one.
Some of them would say this one.
Some of them would say this one.
Some of them would say this one.
Some of them would say this one.
It's been more than that in the way I asked the President.
He didn't care about my life.
He was a good person until he died.
He was in everything that happened to us.
He never missed a time.
Did he?
Every part of it.
Every.
He was a good man.
He was a good man.
He was a good man.
He was a good man.
He was a good man.
He was a good man.
That's pretty good.
That's what I mean.
If you're a religious person, I say that I'm a church man.
I don't know if people come in and say they're invited in on the show.
And they don't tell you if you've been on the show, if you've been on the show.
You don't find it.
You don't find it.
You don't find it.
You don't find it.
You don't find it.
Well, excuse me, they did not call to regret.
That's what I thought.
I think most congressmen don't have a regret.
There's something else going on there.
Getting invitations is very important.
You talk to somebody else and they push you.
Are those invitations given to the Lord upon the light of the sun?
Because I don't know about it, but sometimes a girl gets it and she doesn't know how to follow through on it.
That's what it means.
Who do they call?
What do they do?
They do it by the wire.
It's a follow-up to a chart.
Right.
That's good.
Oh, it's fine.
I believe he's dead.
Well, I don't know.
See, those people were the exceptions.
See, those are not people.
I said those are people who accepted and then didn't show up.
That's right.
So they've already responded to the invitation.
It wasn't a likely response to the invitation.
Yeah, but Mike White is.
Mike White is the president.
That's the only person who accepted it after the authority.
Oh, I see.
You're correct.
I think, Steve, that you ought to, certainly it's possible,
all this entertainment and so forth, don't give too much to Lucy, because she doesn't have her introduction.
She's got to be cued in, you know, and glued in, and the rest, but she just doesn't understand sometimes how to do it.
Listen, like, you only get four calls until I see you.
I can work with you, you've got to follow the volume once you get it.
And see if you talk to me, you've got to follow the volume.
Sure, sure.
Julie loves to do that.
She's going to be down there.
She's going to be here this week.
She's coming up for three or four days.
And you can get her involved.
I really think Julie ought to do the entertainment.
Yeah, Lucy.
Lucy is really good at doing that.
Hello?
Hello?
I don't know if that's what they're trying to do.
Thank God he's doing it.
You see, that's where Alex ended up.
He just blew up.
He was crying, bitching, raising hell.
See, he's just whacking away at it.
He is, he's working on it.
It's hard, but I think on the evenings we're going to find
the entertainment in general, but we cannot, we just aren't going to find enough people to support us.
I think we're probably, well, we should rule out people like Leonard Bernstein.
We've got to take people from that camp.
I think it's important to have people who support us at the beginning.
I know, but that's why I wanted to listen to you.
and things like that.
I don't know if you've seen that, but I did not.
Now they, yeah.
We got a look at it and we had a list of keys and a combined list.
See they, I talked, asked me about this and they said they were working through Taro.
That's why I wondered, I don't know, she has a very, each of them Bob has a limited list of people.
There are others, you know.
Oh, Ray Calderon has a whole list.
And Sam, I got to hear, you got off, yeah.
before I was really advised.
I know it started with an all the other, these people are something, I think.
You asked about the, asked for a price to do some checking with Sapphire McCurdy, or, and Bill Rogers won the Nobel Prize.
Yeah, a lot of them haven't answered the question.
You want an answer from the press conference?
Raise your hand.
Along them, I'll give you, along the subject of wood, what it says, or maybe, gives all the background on it, and I know about the background.
I know he's got all of that stuff.
Rogers, Moore, and Price all recommend that you do nothing.
Just let it ride.
Sapphire said you should not try to withdraw your name, that you should pass the word quietly, that you're not interested and don't expect to get it.
And I've asked her the press conference.
She said if you were a criminal government, you'd give it to the POWs.
Everybody else thinks that's a terrible idea.
Oh, I'm hurrying.
I'm hurrying.
suggested you formally request that your name be withdrawn and recommended that you get it instead.
It's serious.
It gives you the language for the withdrawal.
The Medal of Honor belongs to the Combat Command.
We're very proud of you for bringing it into the long war.
But all honor belongs to the negotiators.
So what does that do to Russians?
What does it do to everybody else?
That's right.
That's the Jewish anthem.
The problem with drawing on the rationale that you only accept honors if you're doing a duty as a victor is that you've accepted a lot of honors if you're doing a duty.
The BMW Awards and the Silver Buckle Awards and the Boy Scouts and all that kind of stuff.
is, in a sense, the same kind of thing.
And, uh, well, I don't think so.
What I mean is, I just don't want to get into it.
None of these are thinking very clearly.
No, but I mean, I don't think they understand what the reasoning is.
or argues that a withdrawal request would seem presumptuous in the sense that you think of that as a concern.
But conversely, others might see it as an effort to undercut the possibility that you might not.
He thinks it's one of those ways to lay down what are the most effective presidential postures to do with them.
That's the question I asked.
What do I say when I'm asked?
That's the real question.
That's what I thought.
Right.
Next, he says, if asked, you should answer along these lines.
Correct.
I, of course, appreciate the confidence shown by those who have nominated me, though whatever I have done to be further the cause of peace has been simply what I consider my duty as President to test it.
The rest of those efforts and objections to the matter shall not be those of them without, no doubt, the many that are out of the objection of the Christian will be quite some time before that objection can be found.
You're right.
You're right.
I do appreciate their help, but it's about where I can find them, all of them, as well, after I've gone and filed an arraignment.
I hope that this question came to an awkward answer.
I've raised all those points before about the accounts that I know that appear to be presumptuous.
I know people that appear to be trying to think, well, maybe it won't get it, so I'll say I don't want to take it.
I don't want to say, absolutely not.
I just want to say, hang tight.
Now, I'm just going to say anything that I know.
You can't just say nothing if they say, what is your attitude?
That's a little bit of stuff.
So I have no comment.
I just say I have no comment.
So I was thinking of something about scheduling, about, I know that John was cut out even on the question of trade.
I wondered, in his case, if however he did not perhaps do that at all, would too many quarries in this country go to any need?
To get back to what we've put, what happened with the... all of our nation's parents.
I realize, I've argued the contrary, I realize that, but I think John can stay, and it goes down to, he can stay here and walk right down the hall and spend 15 minutes and get better coverage than he can get by going out to Detroit or on a world tour.
He's got more candidates.
I think more candidates than he has.
Bob Brown.
I just, I've been thinking about the person that we've
Now, when I go to the country, it's different, I think.
Absolutely.
That's not to get attention for the symbolism.
And also, the press does come.
You know what I mean?
I go and play because it's a new story, right?
Yep.
In his case, I frankly think went off and started looking around the club.
It didn't matter.
The client didn't have anything.
The client had no substance.
and it follows your responsibilities and I think it's really better.
Why do you want to go out and help him if he doesn't feel it?
I think, unless then his basic approach is to do damn little.
But Seattle thinks he's got to do this.
They're quite sure.
You know, biggest thing is Uncle Ben's got to do this.
He doesn't feel it.
It's great.
I'm good.
I saw, I know that Fort Worth all had to work on it yesterday.
You know, prayer, speaking, everybody goes on to the hell with the prayer and the speech, and the book, and the documents, and we have to take questions.
That's all you can do.
Our people feel that they've got to go out into business, not to have press or written tax.
Screw the press.
That's real.
But then we hope for the press.
That's right.
But John, it's right.
It feels, even if you just go to the questions, you've got to think through what are some of the points you want to give.
Oh, yeah.
It's that kind of preparation.
I agree.
Because I've had this walk out there and thought, oh, I wasn't going to do that.
But I've had it.
I've had it.
You've got to be prepared.
You've got to be prepared.
You've got to be prepared.
You've got to be prepared.
You've got to be prepared.
like I'm just staying up there, just a little bit of LGI.
I don't know what that's like.
I don't know what that's like.
I don't know what that's like.
I don't know what that's like.
I don't know what that's like.
I don't know what that's like.
When we don't have really what we might call exciting speech writers, it really doesn't have a lot of .
If you did have exciting speech writers, you'd be in trouble with these three sports teams.
I don't know if we've got exciting stuff.
Like Phillips and Moynihan probably are exciting guys.
You need some of that though, you sure do.
You need some of it.
You can't just be a dullard.
That's why I don't credit his training too much.
I think Whitehead and Phillips both... Chris Phillips, that's a really cheap shot, which I didn't realize.
That was a remark to a friend, a last-sentence.
But the friend-poly, who is not a saint, it's not that it's now become part of the mythology, because he refolded and refolded, so all of a sudden it seemed like one hand's behind the other.
He was trying to make the point.
The guy quoted it.
Obviously, I'm sure, trying to make the point.
It wasn't a bad guy, actually.
That's what's wrong.
But anyway, there you go.
I think that's pretty well.
There we go.
As I said, he'd get one time out of ten.
He'd get something very corporate.
He's great.
As long as he's working the way we are.
When he wants tipping, don't let him get loose.
I talked to Rob.
I didn't see him.
I don't know how Rob talked to me.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
We didn't, frankly, get as much as he was satisfied.
But in terms of our expectations in regard to what a hell of a big thing he's going to be in the long, Henry's major factor is being a man of history, and in times when that's repressed, that he was a part of the group.
You put him in the Congress, he did his thing in the Congress.
Now he throws Congress from off balance on his own.
That's right.
Because he's still way over there ahead.
And he dazzles businessmen.
That's what I meant.
And he dazzles the press pretty good.
But the point is that when it comes to the mass audience, we should have known.
that it isn't, that it isn't, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it,
the cameras and all that.
Overall, racism.
And it's obvious.
He talks on a low, non-physical level.
He didn't come along.
He didn't come along with her until she started asking him about his swinging her leg to the back of his hand.
And he said it was substance.
Which she was determined to put all her weight against.
And the son of a bitch completely hedged his support of the body.
It did take people turning.
What did he say?
He just said, I made an absolute firm rule always that I never publish a catalogue of my recommendations to the president.
Those are privately in the president's name.
And he said, but you can be sure that any agreement were made that I felt in front of an opposition that I would resign.
that he never turned it around, so he could still turn it around and say, let me point out, as well, that we're in spite of that rule, it is absolutely clear that the bombing decision was superbly successful, and that made a pitch more big, and he just left it there.
And that's the thing, he doesn't have the herb line that he can snare all he wants.
The herb line would have never, even if you had ordered a herb line, you must not say whether or not you supported the bond.
He would have said, well, I have a rule, I never say I support the bond.
But wasn't it interesting that they came right back to the peace table after a couple weeks of that bond?
I think we see in these currencies, though, what Henry probably does when he's in groups that we don't know.
We think he's free to bond with them.
You know what I mean?
And when he was talking to Peter, he was looking up at us.
He doesn't want to be on television.
Yeah, he knows we're sitting there watching him too, so he's got to look right off the bases.
But he, uh, one of the reasons you're in here is that he's desperate.
Yeah, that's it.
One of the reasons he doesn't come across.
Yeah.
Because he's not pretty.
He's afraid.
And that's to understand when you're on the public, that he's one of us.
Yeah.
We know damn well everybody here is looking at what we're saying.
Yeah.
You're doing it.
Right.
Right.
Right.
In a way, it means as much as getting you because you gotta do that kind of thing.
Right.
Oh, I can't let him do that because he didn't thank them for their support.
He can make fair, he can do a little talk about the meaning of the support and the meaning of the opposition.
And what makes their support.
I'll tell you though, what's really doing that is those goddamn field advocates and they are just sensational.
Those guys went out in that press conference for the press empire.
We could give them that.
One guy said the only sour note in the whole length was the article in the Washington Post by some guy down in Carolina or someplace.
By the Washington Post columnist intimating that we had been programmed to make the statements that we had made.
He said how anybody could have gotten out of those jails and not sent God Bless America to me on May 8th.
You know, I didn't get the news from him.
It was in on Saturday.
No, I was there on Saturday.
There was some good stuff, but that particular post was not out.
He just knocked it out of the Washington Post, which was just great.
It was in the Washington Post, right?
The Post and Times were.
You're damn right, because the Times people saw ran the same day as the news story ran of their press conference.
The Times stories saying they weren't allowed to answer questions from the press ran, the Times editorial ran the same day as the news story of their press conference.
They sometimes look idiotic, but those guys in the press conference, they're solidity, and they hit the East group.
They said, we hate people like Jake Fonda and other people who, they continued their support of the American people to support our president.
We have faith in our country and our president and our God.
And they just go on and on like that.
And their program, some of us, doesn't want to help.
A lot of other programs have done it.
But when I sit in front of the center, I don't go up.
Nope.
What I say is, thank God for help.
Why help?
That's what I said ten or so other times this morning and the last couple of days.
Because I say they'll never make that mistake.
I feel as though they're next to me.
People out there in the press better realize that you're not having all the credibility to help them make that mistake.
Ron Dolphin said he thought they could be anything like it.
You can't see those guys.
And then say, somebody says what you see is not true.
Then, you wake up in the morning and Bob is there.
I don't agree.
For this reason, he never hesitates to say that he recommended the China Mall to him.
I think what I'd better do is think more about it
If there are 400 of them, whatever it is, I think we've got to have them and their wives in the White House.
Because I've got to shake hands with them and their daughters.
I was wondering, you had said you hadn't had the White House in 12.
Basically, what I would do then is to stagger.
I'd have my son in 5 and another in 6.
They don't have to leave.
They don't have to stand in line all the time.
The other thing she did was she was actually
What you can do is do them on the basis of the managers or patients we can all use.
1,800 is too many in that world.
Or is it?
Maybe it isn't.
It's too many.
400 is the manager.
400, you say we have to resuck you one night.
The other thing is, you see with that?
Or you could do it one, you could do one in the afternoon and the other, one in the morning and the other in the afternoon.
Because of the physical problem, you can't ask those guys to stand around.
You could do one in the morning, so you could have a reception, say, at one end, at 11, and another at 3, and another at 9.
We're going to get to work on the timeline.
Well, the media knows.
I say the media knows.
I haven't seen too many of the media jumping on this in time, post-time view, or are they?
My point is that I think that shows an almost suicidal attitude on their part for their frustration of getting totally in control of their judgment.
You can't stand it here.
You don't want to believe it.
Kills him.
That's it.
That's it.
That's basically it.
You know, they know it.
That noise, that struggle, that thing.
They get it.
It was rough.
Bothered.
Sure.
They got across the case without it.
Then it, from then on, it's been pretty little.
People have been trying to... Now they're afraid not to do it.
Sometimes you have to enjoy what's coming your way.
It's too bad.
I agree with the people who say it's too bad.
You better not to say that.
You shouldn't have to say that.
It is too bad for the president to have to say that.
What else can he say?
Someone else can say it and it won't do any good.
Well, Kissinger would have helped a bit.
Kissinger would have helped a bit.
He totally would have helped.
Will Rogers had said it.
I don't know.
Miller falls out and gets tears in his eyes.
Miller fell out.
Henry has never done that.
I don't know.
He's never stepped up to that point.
But that, he can't.
I think you've got to look at what you bought.
You've got a tomato there and you can't expect it to taste like applesauce.
Correct.
You just don't hear it properly.
You can't change it.
It is without a theater in the areas that you hired it for.
I don't know.
You're just not able to look at other areas.
Sure.
I think that's correct.
I think he makes me super real there.
You know, by how deep he's getting a little, what do you say, a little, you know, he's got, especially for that kind of guy, he's back down to his head.
It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a,
Last year it was our election.
This year it's their election.
Next year it will be our election.
I said this is the year to act.
I stuck up to them hard.
As much as he tries not to, he still didn't line up.
And I know it really improved from the day he came in.
And I didn't see it until he was there for the transport.
It's worth a check, don't you think?
In fact, as Rogers, he called Ishmael in London to say that we were sorry.
Because Rogers was absolutely right, Billy.
And then he just sort of slumped it off.
There was nothing.
Total blindness.
I think you're right, it's definitely about the China thing.
It's helpful.
in terms of our long-term plans and so forth.
But as far as people are concerned, now we've got to work in the county, we've got to be working hard.
And it just isn't going to be all that good.
It isn't that much.
It's a very important piece, and very, you know,
I have a question.
I was listening to that and I had one question.
His wife came up to him and said, what is the difference between a significant chairman of the Ohio State Department of Education?
And I said, well, it's a judgment factor.
And he said, well,
to the world.
Right.
You're right.
What was significant there was Chairman Mao's CQ.
That's Chairman Mao's CQ.
Yeah, that was the oldest factory kitchen in the Western Harbor.
There.
Yeah.
And he knows that.
Yep.
That's what, that's what,
I don't know.
It's a question, I think, that she was expecting me to talk to her about.
to do this for someone.
And every one of these goddamn invitations, and I send a name tag or something like that, and all of a sudden she said, well, the tenants told me to do it.
I didn't tell the tenants, but I called her out.
She said, we should have some young people here.
She said this.
Just big, big, big, big, all of that.
It was just unbelievable.
What about the list?
Well, what about the list of people?
I'm trying to set up a list.
She said that when I talked to her about it, she thought that was a good idea, but I didn't have a list meeting that she was going to call.
Well, first of all, I said, how do we want to do it?
She said, fine.
So I did.
And then she said, well, we've got a plan for it this month.
So this month.
And then she said she'd call that as well.
And she did.
I told her.
I said, why are you having all these conversations?
And I said, well, it's a pain in the neck, but we've got to have the damn people.
He said, what's that?
And she had the objection, which I thought I told him to explain, but apparently he isn't the best one either.
And I said, tell her, tell her, I'm all in the position to go out now, because I don't want any votes now.
And she said, I tried to tell her to do it.
Well, she drank her sweet litchi and said, I said, I said, I said, Did somebody tell her that?
Back at the fire?
Yeah.
Well, she didn't seem to get that message.
But she did all over.
That was the point to see about where, where, wherever you were just after you got Well, I'm sure Bill said the same thing, but I covered that one.
We went over the names and he came back before Bill came in and said, well, isn't it?
See, there's a couple of things you have to do.
If this is a question, please.
That's not a question.
But it's a question of the invitation.
No, all the invitations have to go out at the same time.
So the oldest, the oldest thing that would be invited.
But you said, well...
No, she didn't.
She didn't disagree.
We're not going to let you tell them we're going out way early.
That's right.
We're going to get an invitation from you.
It's proper to send the invitation to you.
We've already had that.
We send them late all the time, which is much less proper than sending them early.
If you're going to go about it properly, the President of the United States doesn't...
You just, what you do is on that, and we go, it's a problem.
Right.
I mean, what the hell was the design?
It's usage.
It came in the terms of usage.
And here, I think...
But we do have a lot of protocols and a lot of technologies.
Right.
So it's never rained on to be sure that we won't back off.
What about this business?
There are no automatics.
There are absolutely no automatics.
For example, one thing we have is that we have a board board on the machine.
Right at this point, the machine is writing.
The church service became redundant, in a sense.
The cabinet, the whole cabinet, or half of the cabinet, is going to come over and have to balance.
And what I suggest is you wait until like next fall or next winter or something like that.
And one day, have a church service when you don't have to bring them back.
Have a cabin, after you've clearly established that you don't have a cabin.
Yeah, a cabin.
Yeah, that's right.
I say we'd like children to come this time.
Cabin, sub-cabin, children.
I agree.
But not their goddamn neighbors.
That's what we got into.
A lot of the birds.
And this is just our area cabin.
They call Mel Laird, call him, and say, you know, we've got somebody, Jones is in for Oshkosh this weekend, and there's 17 kids, and they have some friends who live down in Alexandria, and they bring 17 kids.
But we're doing this, and I think that's good.
I put that down as it was October 3rd.
I also covered it, as I reminded you last night, the diplomatic reception.
So I'm trying to do that.
And that should be, it's another, no, we can just make a deal on that.
We'll get the rest of the children to come.
That's what they want to have.
I think you want to have it with the senior staff and all, just because the numbers don't make you feel better about it.
The numbers there don't make you feel better, and it's good for the diplomats.
That's right.
And you can also pick out there and put it in there.
People outside the cap, that's the time they have to do it.
They ask him things and people like that.
They put it all out there.
Now my deal with it, on this whole social thing, is to really load it in.
um next year i would say 60
And by six evenings, I mean if you have a state visit, that's what you do.
There could be six of bears in your meetings, six of jerseys.
That's enough for the whole year because these are not important in the standpoint of doing a good job during their period.
Well, therapy is important, so let's do the therapy.
and it starts getting repetitious and they're starting to push us into something and I'll let you guys repeat what next year and the year after we ought to get back and we need super people to head in once during the first year and we ought to get back in sometime during the second year but you don't need to have people in once a year in that sense and certain people need to have twice a year for each of the four years
I had people come in and tell me this is the fourth time I've been here.
They've got the NAD and all these other things.
Inevitably you'll get a little bit of overlap because sometimes you get some people who come in as an official.
But I think this is pretty good because you wouldn't be a target if the possibility was shot or wrong.
You had a couple of others that wasn't.
I ruled out the lack.
I don't think about that.
Last shot, you were pretty good.
I know that.
So were the Italians.
I mean, socially, the shot.
What were yours?
You wanted to go out there and buy my thought on stock and check it out.
Yeah, I think we can do it.
I do.
The thing is, the Italians didn't get away with it.
I think we should.
But he should be told now that it's a date.
And he brings the show.
He won't sing.
He'll sing a little bit, but he will.
I think he'll do his farewell show, which is at Harvard tonight.
And with the Italians, it'll be emotional, and we'll eat at night.
It'll be one of those big nights.
The way we ended up is... Well, it wasn't with dinners.
You've got the Jewish, the Italian, and the emperor, whatever we get in.
Yeah, that'd be Paul.
And, uh, so he is.
Right.
What's his name?
The Shah.
Put that thing down first.
The Shah.
And, uh, Yuri Popola.
Yuri Popola has to come.
And that's the acronym for what I mentioned.
Who?
Babe, I can't pronounce his name.
Oh, yeah.
Whatever it is.
Irene Coates.
Irene Coates.
That's all right.
And, uh, that Thailand had to take up for the fight.
Okay.
Fort Lauderdale area, I guess.
However, we have heard it said before.
Now the, uh, now, what of Latin, uh, do we have in mind?
If not, they should.
You said no Latin.
You're probably going to have to have the one.
Oh, who they want?
Which, Fort Lauderdale area, or, or Bouncer?
I will not have, or Bolivia, I think.
I will not have the report.
I must read it, please.
Or Velocito.
I think I prefer Velocito.
You have some sentimental reasons for that, haven't you?
This year?
That's the end.
Yeah.
In the fall.
What the hell are you going to put in the spring?
Summer?
Maybe do one thing.
About a shot.
John looks like December.
I'm good.
How about the acronym?
He's October now.
Okay.
Depending on when the Soviets are coming.
The Soviets are late June.
Yeah.
They're set for June now, so point you would be in October.
Well, we can look over here.
Maybe we'll point you out to May.
Well, do leave.
Well, do leave.
It was the last go.
It was the last go.
The test was not as good as it was the possibility of it.
We haven't said it.
I thought it was probably dual.
We should then come back and deal with the knockout for sure.
We'll stay physical.
We're going to do the amper and the knockout both.
And for one month, what the next?
Emperor to fall on Tanaka in the spring.
I mean, we'll see.
Tanaka in the first half of the year.
Emperor in the second.
The emperor can't come to the fall on the first.
Well, I think he has to do Tanaka.
That's what I would have said.
But we had said he could do Tanaka next year.
Well, it may be important to do it from our foreign policy standpoint.
After Russia put it in July.
I don't, you can't load, you can't load the spring with two or three dinners.
You see what I mean?
You can throw, if you have to have Tanaka in this, before the first, before the middle of the year, you better have him.
Then push both the African and the Latin American in October.
October and November are pretty good times to have tonight.
Everybody else is September, late September.
Good.
After Labor Day, period.
November, November, December, November, early December.
Let me say this for once.
December is a fairly new month.
I just feel December all of a sudden, I agree.
Also, I like the taste of pineapple.
Plus, you never really get tied into a certain kind of Christmas social stuff that they have to sit there and drink.
So let's do three in that period.
Now this means that you're going to do, you're tired in April, and if you need to do two in May, you're going to do this in April because it will relieve you of all your emotional problems.
No, we do one in May.
We're going to do Velasco in May.
and then the Soviets at the end of June.
You can do Tanaka early June if you have to.
All right?
It's all right.
Good.
That's the end of June, which is really kind of July.
And then, uh, it'll be July and August, and then we can do...
July and August in the middle of September on the street breeze.
Possibilities of California flying on and on and on.
I'm afraid we might have to have... What does that mean?
That's disgusting.
The theater is going to be here.
It's unlikely that it's going to be here.
I'm sure it's going to be here.
I'm sure it's going to be here.
I'm sure it's going to be here.
I'm sure it's going to be here.
I'm sure it's going to be here.
I'm sure it's going to be here.
I'm sure it's going to be here.
And I agree directly with you.
That means that our state visit, you have a meeting with the guy on Wednesday morning and you say you're going to do it here tomorrow morning.
You're clear Wednesday, but what was already said, so if you don't know about that, but if you was on a Tuesday and you're out here, it's not going to be the same.
And we'll be here.
And they decide.
They decide.
Yes.
They have the principle of these.
They are the principle.
John Porter, it turns out they were going to have a testimonial there for John Porter anyway, in Hollywood.
And they were shooting, and it worked out beautifully.
They were shooting for the 24th of March, and they were moving into the 31st of March, which is the Saturday night before the two arrivals.
So you could go out on Saturday or Friday.
And I could go to the dinner and present the medal to you.
You don't have to give the dinner.
It's where others give you the dinner.
It's nice to be covered for it before he knows about the dinner.
So it really worked out.
It could have been better.
But Walker doesn't know.
Yes, see if we can get a beam to put on it there.
Dr. Julie.
summary for the 40 years of all of them, the date of everything, uh, the banking number, the number of fees and receptions and so forth.
In other words, the names of the causes, you know, and, uh,
The number of states that still work and so on and so on is a non-political combination of the number of states that still work and so on.
We're the same.
We're the same.
We're the same.
We're the same.
We're the same.
We're the same.
We're the same.
We're the same.
Well, they didn't cause this though.
Nobody pays any attention to it.
You know, here.
Here.
But I think it's quite a story.
In other words, some of it's about a volunteer activist, you know, who she's got a staff over there, and probably the staff, they can do that pretty easily.
How about that?
And you know, Julie, you know, her hair's pretty furry, you know.
It causes the fur to add to the number of
I said, on this one, it shows you how you have to have a bunch of bullets in there.
All those troubles have been avoided with a cap light or anything like that.
He doesn't have a ship, or a captain, or a person in there, or not.
You know, and he's, you know, Bridget, Bridget, you know, he's the one who wrote the organization chart, and he decided something, and she thought about it, and she said, all right, Matt, today, here's all of them.
And now he can't back down, I guess, because of the hurry of this entire argument.
But you see, there's a problem here.
Here we're trying to buy cattle off or try to do things that are infinitely more difficult for us and more vulnerable.
And that's the way to end it.
I'll try to see if I can strip up a bunch of snakes.
I'll try to make more of them around the land.
But we'll be able to get some of the community in there.
But he's a good man.
He has several things that he was interested in.
He was talking to the people over there.
He wouldn't want to make this put together.
You know, if he's got somebody out for him, you know, he couldn't run.
I know what it is
My ambassador, Jocelyn, who was born, I guess that's her.
That's a good one.
She's still, you know, important to me.
And to me, her, you know, her relationship with her often.
She's a good guy, and she's a good friend of mine.
So, you know, she's a good friend of mine, and she's a good friend.
I think that I think is very important to
We're working on that better right now.
She's coming up to a problem now.
She's set, basically.
The only final problem is whether she can come to work school now.
She's in drug school.
She's still working on that.
She's still working on that.
I guess that's sort of the only thing that speaks to me about her.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know if we can get it any better.
We've got to work on it.
Well, they work on it, aren't they?
I've spoken to you about it quite a lot.
The need to...
to sit down and create our careers.
Just to kind of indicate what the hell our goals are.
You know, what the hell are we going to try to accomplish in the first year and then, you know, in the fourth year.
And early on, just to say, you know, what the hell is it?
What are we going to do?
What's going to be the benchmark?
What are we going to accomplish in the first year?
I don't want the long memorandum.
I want to put it down on a piece of paper.
And for Lena to know there's something to shoot at, so we're going to have to react to that.
And I think yours, we should put it down in terms of the political, personal, public relations thing.
I would get a price, perhaps, on that.
to have that call on board early.
That's good.
It would be a pleasure to have her on.
Oh, yes.
People like that are useful to us in a...
Well, if you have those 50 kids in from the VFW, then you've got to be able to talk to them.
Right, right, right, right.
I still want you to offer good personal advice.
Right?
And I did ask for a report on that.
Okay, I've got it.
It doesn't say a whole lot.
Glenn says he's picking up momentum at the local level where major sites are working pretty well.
Ross Perot and John Rockefeller are organizing fights in San Juan City.
Ross wants to put up with his name and type name and deal with Dallas-Fort Worth airport and stuff.
They've got a lot of other things going on.
But he says the problem is the one that the president identifies as locating the same people all the time in federal Atlanta during court and he also just steered the question over to get the word out.
something so that something out of it could remain permanent.
I don't know what it is, but there's got to be something.
So it is the point not as a technical answer, it's the new legislation to replace the commission which is open to a bicentennial administration full-time administrator staff that are defined function and again to debate national priorities and concentrating on the year-long calendar of events and what's left.
If there's anything you can tell us about that.
That's being held up so in Congress that they're getting through it.
He now thinks we ought to settle on a full-time chairman.
And Joe, what's his name?
Oh, yes.
And get a chairman who would become the head of the administration when it comes.
And he has two candidates for that.
One is Frank Walker.
And the other is Howard Chernow.
He did the Osaka Fair.
He said it was horrible.
Sure enough, he ran the Osaka Fair.
He was a strong government-wise manager, sympathetic to the president, right?
Extremely independent, too, of course.
And he thinks we ought to explore it more.
Sure enough, go ahead.
See what...
Even if the legislation was to be put in there, but that's the name of the new chairman, we organized on our own.
I brought up the business to the country, uh, I don't know if Taylor checked those, right?
That is?
No.
Parker.
Right.
Parker, on the, uh, uh, we are, we still have it on the car line, I'm sorry.
We're still playing hard to get.
I was calling you the other day.
Okay, follow up, you guys are going ahead on this.
IRS got something to tell on that.
Good.
Well, you can't push it down.
I suggested, remember, I suggested the kitchen cabinet kind of thing.
Yep.
And I think it's a lot better than that.
It's like a greater part of the bush.
I don't think it's particularly helpful for staff members
I got a word out of Conestown because if there's one strength I have, it is the ability to sail through without being flat on the island.
Apparently, but the way this happened, I said, John, how's it happening?
Well, he said, it's the first question I should get.
I was very old, and so are people, but she said, gee, so I did.
I never felt that, just loved it.
Bullshit.
I just don't think that that's a relevant... Can you handle that with everybody?
Yep.
If you try to... Yeah, that's awesome.
I'll try again.
What happens is, you think, you think that they just want to appear in the show?
These people that say it must be people that I don't see.
But God, I mean, I don't see here live the rest of these people.
It is counterproductive.
They think they're doing the right thing.
Yeah.
and it's low-level staff, guys, and it's a way of improving.
They know what the president's feeling, and they're not ready to be challenged on advice.
I don't think anybody can see what you said.
All of us, if someone says past any of us, but the president included me and said,
The final I make is this, you must maintain that degree of, we're just not going to get anybody in for breakfast young, and so forth and so on.
We've never done that, and I just want to maintain that degree of alertness and all that stuff.
I think when the stackers begin to, you know, drive the next section, first they don't know,
The other way the press will do it is they'll hit you on a thing where they say, gee, the press is going out to the theater and all these restaurants.
Yeah, it's been a great business.
And you say, yeah, yeah, it feels great.
It's got a great burden off of it.
Bullshit.
You don't have that.
See?
That inevitably sets you up to the thing.
They say we don't have our thing.
As soon as you spend a week without going to the theater, they're going to say the press has come back and they shall.
Right?
Right.
I don't think it's true.
I just don't know.
It's an in-house sort of thing.
Remember I told you there were two names from field.
I don't know if Jack Baldry is one, Adrian Lee is another.
And I'm pretty sure they're in college.
Ed Roberts is one.
I'm not sure Ron is the one to put this through.
You know what I mean?
Obviously, he's got to be aware.
And frankly, anybody who might be smarter than they are.
I don't know.
Greenberg and Aiken, they're in the Fort Halsey area.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Or are there birds even in the other direction?
I've tried to look this juror up.
But you see, they get restless, they don't.
You can say, look, we might get a couple through here.
You see, you compare them with the keel.
It's basically, there you go.
The keel is wonderful to have around, but you never, you're still regularly, everybody getting ideas on the keel.
You really won't need good judgment, good evaluation, exactly.
In fact, we're not bad at judging already.
What they were pretty strong about was judging.
I think they're quite weak on it.
Maybe PR.
That's why the burnout is great.
I guess you're right.
I'll make it on the outside.
Yeah?
In some ways, that kind of people are better off.
He's a little bit, he is definitely very good, I know.
The other thing you have to do is, you need a little balance if you can.
He can, he's so bright, he's got a strong personality.
He's beautiful.
He doesn't balance.
He's all right.
He's only a liberal so much, but frankly a realist.
He's frankly a whore.
He's basically a separatist.
He's good to go.
We presumably have the government.
It's in better hand shape now than it was four years ago at this time.
The government, as far as we're concerned, sure as hell has other hands.
In other words, we've got control and we don't have to care.
We don't have control, but we have a lot closer.
Just like your explosion.
That's my question.
You've got people you work with now.
All that stuff.
All that stuff.
We've got a big envelope.
We've got a hell of a big machine down there.
You can prove one thing.
Right.
The other thing is, I think it's the weight box.
It's a very big place.
It's not worth it to have it there.
to go a long way to the yard in front of the dust.
And I just had to go up there.
And one of the people that recognized me, let's say when I was, what's the big, you know, like the bigger, you can't get excited when you do it, was a wallhacker.
Well, the situation was probably a wallhacker.
We've made plates that are so enormous that now we've got to be able to do what Kennedy did during this period.
I guess I'm going to... You know, we've got to help them.
Let me get together with you and get something out of their minds.
We'll have pluses if we've got any big pluses in the world.
I think that's what we can show them.
And the other thing is that
and the reason why they just scheduled it down in gold so that we could always have those things up there on a wall and not get into business where we're reacting to the markets, reacting to the people, reacting to the oil and gas, reacting to the business, reacting to labor.
That's a, that's a great, great problem we have, is that we won't control the events that are really controlling us.
And we won't do it unless we know where we're going.
And, uh, we've got a long schedule, and that's why I say that we, whichever that you want to bring in.
It's not a small thing.
Maybe we ought to take other attributes of security, but that's the point, yeah.
He's always going to have to come to Steve, but then they can approach him.
Last thing, all they cover is, I frankly have lost the note from the end of the year or more.
Once the reading comes down to it, I think we've got these social events.
Never will, because the only thing that will satisfy them is the doctor telling them what to take and what they can't do.
I agree that even that won't satisfy them.
Unless you do what it is they want to talk to you about.
Why is... Do we have to really take a hard look at that stuff?
I think we should, I'm afraid so.
Just on Harlow, without Harlow's, uh, gift of, uh, good enough for the job, because there is, well, exactly what Bill said.
He recognizes, and that's maybe his greatest failing, in a sense, is that he recognizes, especially if you've got a complex, that he knows that that's the case.
I've built him up a lot and I'm asking him, why do the same thing?
You can't get that smart instructor there.
Well, he's basically a good operator.
He's not a positive individual.
That's his problem.
Harlow is a positive individual.
It's a hell of a tough fight.
Much better than Harlow.
It's a lot better than Bryce.
But he is weird.
He's different.
I don't know what the hell it is.
That's the real problem.
I always thought the greater the better.
He was great.
He was the best.
If they're around, you have a good idea.
Well, is there anybody in the conference room?
In the house, we can't do this right now.
Is there anybody in the house that you'd like to let go?
Somebody that you'd like to let go.
Somebody that you'd like to let go.
Somebody that you'd like to let go.
Somebody that you'd like to let go.
My cast partner, I think that's what he is.
We can do this conversation.
We can expect to stay long.
And we'll probably be happy to do that.
This is a tough conference.
Anytime we want to do it.
I'm not dissing him.
I'm not dissing him.
I don't.
I wouldn't.
I'm just thinking of a way of a compromise, to pretend I was fading on in the office.
But where Ehrlichman takes the responsibilities for congressional relations on domestic affairs and other things.
Now, the weakness of that is you don't have, you've got to put Kissinger in the same responsibility for the defense and so on.
Well, that's not the kind of idea you need.
See my point?
But then you say to Irvin, no.
Now Bill's got direct contact with the spokesman.
You've got to handle the congressional bullshit and come into these meetings.
Tim is basically should be an operator, but he's not a spokesman under these things.
But Irvin, Irvin and Kester both should not be in a position where they can sort of run off the fleets of the sea.
And for the same reason, technology is exactly that.
For the same reason that they, of necessity, have moved more to the front of the trust relations for domestic policy.
They should move to the front of congressional relations.
I don't think you can separate, frankly, I don't think you can separate congressional relations from the substance.
I mean, here, early on,
Well, they'd all work with the domestic council and get a good program.
Now why doesn't that Colson office go out and sell it?
He's not running.
He's not watching himself.
the responsibility for selling has got to be an indictor who produces the goddamn product.
He's got to be in charge.
And he's got to do as the office has indicted and not say, well, gee, what's the matter with those people?
You remember Mitchell?
He was really a terrible athlete.
He had a bad memory.
He froze up and said, what in the Christ is the matter with them?
Why do they have a strap on their face?
What's the matter with them?
Where's Kwon?
Where's Colson?
See?
I guess they're all pathetic, but we'll get out of it.
Everything we had here didn't come out so good.
But that was our attitude.
The sources didn't want to die.
And I must say, you guys have done what I did not want to do.
And this is true.
And then together, say, now, by the God, you're going to have, you're going to have a progression.
I don't think that, I don't know what church he was from.
I'm not sure.
Scowcroft would be a good one.
He stepped up to Henry on Jesus and said to the poor guy, you know, I don't know, Henry looks like he's a staffer, I don't know.
We've all decided that Henry is not a hard-on-the-person person, so well, he ought to walk through the luncheon in person.
That's what we're talking about.
and these kids were so important to him.
He would take them forward and all of them, working with him.
And John pays for the rest of it.
And I thought it would be worth it to take people over.
And he worked the best he could.
We've got to move.
We've got some stuff that's out on the street.
We've got to move with the...
This is out for the congressional people on my end, on the foreign policy, John's end, on the domestic policy, right, and program for it.
That's what I mean.
You would program, and then it gives lip service at least to one of your programs.
Just a dollar's there that you say, now, what are these voters going to do?
They're going to go to a budget-fighting circle where I can sit down and say, all right, let's get a plan.
You program, you program, and you program right, and you program.
That's your job.
Now, Ehrlich's job is to not only program, but to work on it.
He's got to work on it himself.
He works on the government, so to put it that way.
See, Ehrlichman doesn't take the governor's attendance, does he?
Well, he picks up the big ones that he runs, he splits them around on top of those, and he's starting to do that, and Congress, he kind of likes it.
He's very good at it.
The earlier one has the brain, and the tops, and the quads, and the crest of Congress, and now...
They used to say, well, there's no guest in here.
But now, as far as the Congress people are concerned, the history knows more about the domestic stuff than they do.
Because he's been arrested for four years.
Well, anyway, give us some thought on these things.
I really feel out there.
I don't know what the hell these goals are.
I don't know what they did there.
I got some ideas.
And I want to
We don't pass so fast, we won't get it done.
Otherwise, we'll get it done and drag it down on Watergate and all that closure and it's going to be there.
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Okay, I'm going to keep those creations.