Conversation 413-033

TapeTape 413StartMonday, February 26, 1973 at 5:40 PMEndMonday, February 26, 1973 at 7:15 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Safire, William L.;  Kissinger, Henry A.;  Bull, Stephen B.Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On February 26, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, William L. Safire, Henry A. Kissinger, and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:40 pm to 7:15 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 413-033 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 413-33

Date: February 26, 1973
Time: 5:40 pm-7:15 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

       William L. Safire
              -Compared to Patrick J. Buchanan
              -Henry A. Kissinger
              -Press conference

              -Question and answer [Q&A] format
              -Time to complete assignment
              -Compared to Raymond K. Price, Jr. and Buchanan

       Press conferences
              -Unanticipated questions
                     -Sarah McLendon
                     -Clark R. Mollenhoff
                     -Purpose
              -Questions
                     -Submission in advance
                     -Follow up
              -Unrehearsed format
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              -Problems
       -Advanced questions
              -Advantages to press
              -Follow up questions
       -Preparation
       -Q&A
       -Compared to free questioning
              -Avoidance of “No comment”

Input for President
        -David N. Parker
               -Coordination
        -Telephone calls
        -Congress
        -John D. Ehrlichman
               -List of Cabinet
               -Response to President’s ideas

Kitchen cabinet
       -William F. (“Billy”) Graham
       -John A. Scali
              -New York

Franklin R. Gannon
       -Article
       -Qualities as a writer

John F. Kennedy administration
       -President’s view of treatment of public
       -Game plan

Administration’s game plan
      -List
              -Press
              -Congress
              -Political
              -Labor
              -[First name unknown] Kahn
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                       -Business [?]
         -Weekly meeting on one issue
                -Competition
         -White House staff input
                -Buchanan
                -Usefulness
                -Ehrlichman
                -Goals of administration
         -Ehrlichman
         -Gannon
                -Analysis
                -Logic as writer
         -Price
                -Analysis
                -Meeting participant
         -Buchanan
                -Analysis
                -Age
                       -Philosophical bent
         -Price
         -Ehrlichman
         -Kissinger
                -Public relations talents
         -Gannon

Reorganization
      -President’s point to Ehrlichman
      -Reform

Issues
         -Quality of life
                -Leisure
                -Environment
                -Crime [?]
         -Polls
                -Economy [?]

Healthcare [?]
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The President talked with William Safire between 6:03 pm and 6:07 pm.

[Conversation No. 413-33A]

[See Conversation No. 43-200]

[End of telephone conversation]

       Safire

       Kennedy’s image
             -Dwight D. Eisenhower

       President's image
              -Enhancement
              -Amnesty
                      -Press satisfaction
                      -Public reaction
                      -Price, Safire’s opinion
                      -Public reaction
                              -Prisoners of war [POWs]
                              -Letters from mothers [?]
                              -Poll numbers
                      -Political fallout
                      -William W. Scranton [?]

       Vietnam settlement
             -Peace with honor
             -Press criticism
                     -Administration response

       White House staff reaction to President’s Vietnam War policy
             -November 3, 1969 speech
             -Controversial actions
             -Opposition
                    -Fear of failure, risks
                             -Riots
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Congressional and public relations
      -John B. Connally
      -Public pressure
      -Respect for President
      -Caving
              -Budget
                      -Tax increase
                      -Effect on President’s popularity
      -Tax increases
              -President’s responsibility
      -Veto messages
              -Tax issues
      -Democrats’ Congress
              -Partisanship
      -Vietnam
              -Swedish television [TV]
                      -Unknown person’s appearance
              -Legislature
      -President’s appearance at Trader Vic’s [?]
      -Former Presidents
              -Image
      -Image of President
              -Public desires

Buchanan’s father-in-law
      -Funeral

Press relations
        -Criticism of President
                -Response
                       -Safire
                       -Press
                               -President’s conciliation
        -TV appearance
                -Display of anger
        -Statement about POWs being programmed
                -Public response
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                      -Press response
                              -New York Times
                                     -Editorial
                                     -Attack on POWs

       Vetoes
                -Statements
                       -Tone
                              -Bryce N. Harlow’s judgment
                      -Wording
                              -Effect on Congress
                      -Press coverage

       Public mood
              -Sensitivity
              -Kissinger
                      -Harvard University colleagues
                      -State Department

       Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft
              -Weak link
              -Kissinger
              -Compared with Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
              -Pressures

Kissinger entered at 6:30 pm.

       Greetings

       Kissinger’s schedule
              -Egypt
                      -Negotiations

Haldeman left at 6:30 pm.

                -Hafiz Ismail [?]
                        -Compared with Gamal Abdel Nasser [?]
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Egypt
        -Negotiations
               -Egypt compared with Vietnam
               -Duration of meeting
               -Kissinger’s memo to President
               -Issues
               -State Department’s opinion
                       -Arab initiative
                               -President’s view
                       -Effect

Vietnam
      -Withdrawals
             -Timing
             -Data
             -B-52 strike
      -Scowcroft
      -POWs
      -Nguyen Van Thieu
             -Ellsworth F. Bunker
      -Withdrawal deadline
      -Bunker [?]
      -Quid pro quo
      -William H. Sullivan
      -Withdrawal and cease-fire
      -Negotiations
      -Laos and Cambodia
      -Bombing

Middle East negotiations
      -Meetings with Joseph J. Sisco and William P. Rogers
      -Settlement
              -Palestinians
      -Negotiations
              -Kissinger’s role
              -Ismail [?]
      -US position
              -Promises
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        -Agreements
        -Negotiations
                -Back channel compared with official channel
-Negotiations
        -Emotion
        -Procedure
                -General agreement of principles between Egypt and US
                -Talks with Israel
                -Interim settlement
                        -Egypt
                -Detailed negotiations
                -Timing of first two stages
-State Department’s knowledge
-Israel
        -General principles
        -Interim agreement
-Egypt-Israel negotiations
        -Syria, Jordan negotiations with Israel
                -Leverage for Israel, Egypt settlement
        -Jordan
                -Timing
-Israel
        -US negotiations
-Egypt
        -April 10 meeting
        -“Heads of an agreement”
                -Fundamental principles
-US talks with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
        -Ismail’s opinion
        -Heads of agreement
                -Israel’s agreement
        -Leonid I. Brezhnev’s role
                -Joint communication
-US recommendations
        -Importance
-Negotiations
        -Common principles between US and Egypt
                -Israel
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                             -US, Brezhnev joint communication
                     -Interim settlement
                     -Compared with full settlement
                             -Syria, Jordan, Egypt
                             -Israel’s withdrawal
              -Kissinger’s talks with Ismail
                     -Israel’s security
                     -Egypt’s sovereignty
              -Golda Meir


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              -Kissinger’s discussions with Brezhnev
              -State Department’s role
                      -Rogers
                      -USSR, People’s Republic of China [PRC]
              -State Department
                      -Sullivan
                      -Position on Middle East
                              -Israel
              -Administration strategy

Stephen B. Bull [?] entered at an unknown time after 6:31 pm.

       Schedule
             -Departure

Bull [?] left at an unknown time before 7:15 pm.
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Kissinger’s talks with Israel
       -Egypt’s negotiating position
       -US position
               -Conflict with Israel
               -Timing of negotiations
               -State Department
                       -Interim settlement with Anwar el-Sadat, Israel
               -Kissinger’s strategy
                       -Interim settlement
                       -Principles
                               -Arab cooperation
                       -USSR support
                               -May 1972 summit
                       -Israel’s agreement
                       -Two tracks
                               -Interim settlement
                               -Direct talks
                       -Timing of settlements
                               -Jordan, Egypt
       -US aid to Israel
               -US relations with Israel
               -Domestic support
                       -Jews

Criticism of President's policies
        -Time magazine [?]
        -News story
        -Success
               -Jealousy
        -Europe
               -US-USSR relations
        -December 1972 bombing
               -Justifications
               -POWs
        -New York Times [?] editorial
               -Attack on POWs’ integrity
                       -Public reaction
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              -Credibility gap

Vietnam War
      -Solicitation of opinion of McGeorge Bundy, Henry Cabot Lodge, and Scranton

New York Times
      -Opposition to Soviet gas deal
              -Economic arguments
              -USSR’s persecution of scientists [?]
              -John B. Oakes
      -Position on USSR, PRC
      -Attacks on President’s foreign policy
              -Motives
              -John Kennedy
      -US liaison office
              -Support
      -Brezhnev’s visit to US
      -US-USSR trade relations
              -Private company
              -Wheat deal
                      -US losses
              -Oil deal
                      -US losses
              -New deal
                      -Outrage
                      -Market rate
                      -US shipping
      -Opposition to President

Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
      -Relations with Taiwan
              -PRC relations with Taiwan
      -Kissinger’s conversation with Chou en-Lai
              -Satisfaction

Attacks on President
       -Kissinger
              -India-Pakistan
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             -Press frustrations
             -Kissinger’s stories
                     -Women
                     -Attacks on Kissinger
                     -Public reactions
             -Average citizenship
                     -Attention
                             -New York Times

       Foreign policy
              -PRC, USSR, Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT] agreement, Vietnam
settlement
              -Public support
              -Establishment opposition
              -Thomas W. Braden
                      -Tokyo
                      -Article
              -PRC initiative
              -Nuclear test bans
                      -John Kennedy
                              -Treaty
                              -Chemical and biological warfare
                      -Testing
                              -Compared with [Supersonic Transport] SST [?]
                                      -Cancer
                              -Radioactivity
                                      -Issue
                      -Value
              -Press relations
                      -POWs
                              -Political benefits
                              -Statements in support of President, December bombing
                                      -Adm. Thomas H. Moorer’s story
                                              -Clapping
              -December 1972 bombing
                      -Washington Star, Chicago Tribune
                      -Congressional opposition
                      -Negotiations
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                             -Breakthrough
                             -POWs
                                    -Release
                                    -Bombing
                                    -Leverage
                             -Deadline to North Vietnam

       Vietnam settlement
             -Success
             -Cambodia
                     -Phnom Penh
                             -Communist forces
                     -Coalition [?]
                     -Cambodia’s self-determination
             -Diplomatic protests
                     -PRC [?]

       Kissinger
              -Report on Ismail meetings
              -President’s press conference
              -Talking paper for President’s Golda Meir meeting
              -Meeting with President

       Golda Meir
             -Talks with Kissinger
             -Meeting with President
                    -Length
             -Dinner
             -Purchases
                    -Effects
                    -Kissinger’s opinion
                            -Negotiating leverage

Kissinger left at 7:15 pm.
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Oh, sapphires.
I don't know how to word it.
He has one, uh, not even considerable effect.
He's kind of detached.
Or, uh, he's emotionally involved, and, uh, he's wasting his time, and so on and on.
It doesn't do him any good.
Well, normally, the thoroughness doesn't do him any good, because you don't want to give him... Well, well, it's the same thing.
It's the same thing.
I can't do it this way.
I can't do it.
It is worth having Q&A.
You don't have to put too much because you have to put a two to three days effort into trying to move forward and do it.
Great numbers if you can, I remember about.
You have to face the fact that there's no way that you can cover every possible question.
There's always the possibility, and probably the probability, and it is one press conference, so you're going to get one or two questions.
You don't want to anticipate it.
Because you get Sarah McClellan, and if you happen to recognize her, she's almost thought to a lot of something, and here it goes.
And someone else is, some guy that's thought of, some stupid thing.
Well, it is part of following officers.
Well, it's not necessarily.
There are many crimes.
It's their purpose.
It's really crafty when you're talking.
That's why we have the announced press conference.
We have to spend a little more time on it.
Although I don't think it's going to come along.
But even there, even there, the guy who's out to trap you is just going to... You can't find him back.
He doesn't just say, well, I'm going to comment on that.
We're already coming to a very good point.
And of course with Kennedy, the buddy who drove the truck.
He really worked softball a lot.
They said they used to, what was it, the old guy, he used to tell him.
He bothered.
Yeah, he bothered him.
He used to tell him what the press secretary was going to ask him so he could get it done.
He had a manager, Perry.
Perry.
If they honestly want good information, that's not a bad thing to do.
Submit the questions in advance.
That is correct.
That is honest.
Well, that's the right way to do it.
Then, commit some follow-up questioning.
In other words, say you're prepared.
No, you're not going to think about it.
So I've got to be able to read what's going on.
What is the purpose?
on the unrehearsed, unprepared press conference, then you have to accept that the game there is to see whether you can catch the president, something he doesn't know.
If you want to just get information from him, then why the hell not give him the questions in advance?
That's a much more sound way of giving the information.
The best way to have that is to give the questions in advance and answer them right.
Submit the questions in advance and you allow five questions.
You go out and you speak to the five questions and allow follow-up questioning on each other.
Let's say I've been asked what our position is on the gold standard form.
Our intention is to do something and you allow them to ask a few follow-up questions on that subject and go to the next question.
When you're prepared to talk on the subject, you still have to give and take a Q&A.
But you don't have the
I think I'm catching the President out on a limb somewhere, or the totally irresponsible type of question is, there's no, there's certainly no, I wouldn't have to say no comment.
The significance of those is the President's response to comments, so it's a follow-up one.
I want to be sure that I want you to pick those and give me a so that I can make my four or five a day.
What we're doing is doing it on a weekly input basis and Dave Parker is monitoring from each first input kind of thing so we get a lot of people thinking about phone calls instead of just a few.
And then for the one that I was looking at in Tony Berry, I said I'll sort it out.
It would be very, very good, though.
This is one very good way to, one, to have a congressman on the ass, and the other is to have the administration people on the ass.
Those are the two everything that are the most important.
On the administration people, what has to be done here is that John Earl is not a good one.
He's a bitter one.
Just make a list for the governor.
You know, which ones are good.
I'll call that follower.
They haven't heard from this follower.
Kid in the cabin group, I think they should add Billy Graham.
He's very useful.
All right.
Be sure to keep the top right.
The other one is the same way.
I think it's...
We called him out on Gannon Road.
I think that makes you see that it goes further down that side.
That's the right of what you're going to do.
That's your job.
You know, just sit down and see what the candidates do.
Yeah, I think we're doing that.
That's my point.
I think we're, I don't mean to, we want to do the same thing.
But, well, I disagree with the, you know, I would disagree with the public.
I would have to say that they sure as hell had a game plan and carried it out with them.
I think that we could move on to our playlist list to get that done for a good project.
Press, progress, political.
Okay.
I'm afraid we don't have a list.
Thank you.
As a guest, I don't want to be a regular member, but I think that's good.
I mentioned a question about comms.
I need a list of about ten of those that are worth talking to.
Or I can have an invitation once a week.
I have one person I don't want anymore.
I thought that in these meetings, having more than one assurances
They all compete and they argue and they argue and they argue and they argue and they argue and they argue and they argue and they argue and they argue and they argue.
I put it away and decided to wait a while and get it back out and see if I could sort it out because it doesn't.
It doesn't sort.
It doesn't sort.
There's just an unbelievable range.
You ask them, what are the three goals?
And you don't get any.
You focus, don't focus.
When you do the give up on life, and that's really what you've got to do, is each guy looks at a given goal from a different perspective.
See, I think at some point it might be worth talking to the coach.
I don't want to be the person to sit down and say, all right, here's your thoughts.
I mean, like, early on in life, I thought, oh, you want to be
He was the only logical one I've seen yet.
Talked in terms of the individual and in terms of the program.
That's Dan with analysis.
I never talked to him.
Does he talk well?
There's a guy that
Christ participates well in the community.
Very well.
He should be among them.
If you can't, it's not a good reason.
I mean, it's just good.
He's mature.
He's mature.
He's fairly young.
But he's a philosophical man in his heart.
That's what I like to try to remember.
I've not really been in a session with him where he's had a chance to do that.
Yeah.
So I don't know whether it does as well.
There's no point sitting in the cockpit if you don't get anything out of it.
If you throw in a problem, it's on there.
Right, and I know he gets it back in 10 minutes.
Right.
Right.
It's just as well talking is good, right?
Yeah.
If you don't understand, you talk so much.
Yeah.
But he's good.
Very good.
And he likes to talk, and he loves to talk.
Right, it would be good.
I don't think that would be good.
It would be absurd.
It would also be, as we have learned, obvious non-functional PR.
It's a very useful group to have.
Try again and I will report you right now.
It's all made the point that I make a very good point.
This was Dan's mission.
Now most people see it in terms of how it affects them personally.
Reorganization.
It didn't help.
On the other hand, maybe when you get to the quality of life, at least you're proud.
Right.
Now there's one that we have down at the lower level of magnitude at the present time.
Yet every pole we see in the deep is still very high in the center of the continent.
It's not, well, I must do it from time to time.
Yeah.
Hi, Bill.
One thing I think we probably need or maybe you're working on is to follow up that may come from...
We don't want to escalate this on the biker, not at this point.
So if you'll give us a thought, I don't know.
Yeah, right, right.
I'm not sure if that's an answer, but it's something I can say positively because it's a helpful way to answer them.
Yeah, well, we have been very cooperative and we expect to continue to work with them.
There will be flexibility, of course.
No hurry, I'm in no hurry because I've done the rest of the stuff that Jeff mentioned.
because they don't need to get too precise with what's on the side.
This is always this other end of the chain.
Actually, on this one, we're just having it for the six.
There isn't any need for all of these kind of things.
I'm trying to go off here.
I don't know.
Well, that's a calculated decision.
You could go if you decide you want to do nothing.
Just be nice.
Yeah.
And say, well, gee, I'm always forgiving.
So we're going to avoid these kind of temptations.
Where the hell would you be when it's all about Christ?
You say, for example, if you take this one extreme, if you take the Amazon, if you take the South, if you take the Amazon, it just satisfies the Christ.
So I'm going to go up wrong.
Absolutely up wrong.
If you think for one minute, if anybody thinks for one minute, and I know Christ is our resident,
and it's the other line of action to be wrong.
But let me tell you, if you ever look, if you're looking through an issue with DOW, and the letters from the letters have died and so forth, all of them are right.
It isn't just the section, it is, in fact, the whole issue of 65%.
All right.
That's what people think.
And let me tell you, they've got that, they're right.
The president of out of town and all of them do it.
That's sort of an answer.
You could stir people up, but it would knock us, knock me down like hell, and that's all there is to it.
And also, it would provide, oh, we have one person, one follow-up queue with you, but there's a few in the center, I mean, the Scranton type people, perhaps, from the other team.
But what the hell were they going to do?
Huh?
I don't know.
That's pretty soon.
It's a secret trade.
It is a function, too.
We're questionable if it's right or wrong.
That's why I have to believe it.
For example, the last time, I was not going to press on it.
It was a very useful purpose.
In terms of peace and honor.
And children.
It had to be done.
And if you say it isn't us that's confronting it, it isn't you who created the conflict and peace without her.
It's that they're the ones who disagree with it.
They attacked the police.
Why have they attacked the police?
They should have caught somebody.
I think you go to a better experience now.
A lot of people are fighting for us.
I feel about the question.
That is a mistake.
You're trying to be correct on that.
There are other reasons that they...
the press, people, your friends unite against you, yelling.
What you need to do is to do things that, that, that you should do.
Take, for example, Bob.
He's a pretty good example of Bob.
He's going to have people in his different senses.
And, you know, he's a person.
But, it will lose his base, or especially lose his base, because his base
I don't have to do that.
I'm not going to do that.
But, I mean, I do well.
I'd rather remember what I usually have been done.
And I'm not going to be as more effective in terms of who's bad, who's wrong, of every third approach.
strong, controversial actions, all of which worked.
And yet, if you quoted this staff, or quoted our principal cabinet, there would have been a very substantial majority against it, no more.
I agree.
That's a good idea.
Some because they would have opposed it, they think you've done the wrong thing, right?
And a lot more because they were afraid that it wouldn't work, or even if it were the right thing, and even if it worked,
It has so much risk in it, on the downside, it's not worth it.
It isn't worth the riots or the God's name or the... No, I have a question there.
I have a question there.
The judgment call in each instance, but the... We've often talked, whenever we used to talk, when Conway first came aboard, like so many...
It's in my public mind today.
That's part of the reason we made the Congress president.
It's basically all that bad.
They have to have all the respect for a leader.
They suck around anchors and all that stuff.
That's not it.
Also, so you came, so you signed the water pollution bill for another $8,000,000.
You didn't fight for it.
You left the county responsible.
Where the hell are you then?
You raised the budget.
You have to come in with a tax increase.
And how popular would you be as high tax next year?
I'd be a trap for a train station.
tax increase, and then sure as hell we'll admit your tax increase, and I'll be there.
Second, we've got to keep on that, though.
There's no sense in it.
We've got to stay in the vehicle, know that we can make the high tax be theirs, and then we go further and there's a tax.
Oh, they'll still find a way.
There'll still be the next tax increase.
I know that.
That's why we have to fight.
That's why every people have to go see it.
We'll win that.
We'll win that.
Because they will give us the tools.
Why the hell are you going to get along with a partisan Democratic Congress?
What way is there?
If you can't get along with that left, you can get along with the responsible, partisan, democratic members.
But actually, if we do the jump to that, I'm very proud of you.
Partisans have a huge role in what you've brought to the world.
I think the president, he doesn't really feel that thing, in my opinion.
He's got a bird in his heart, and we're going to need to get him out and disappear.
There's both sides on that.
He's a smart one to get the Swedes around.
You know, it's a bad one.
But it's a good thing.
It was on television this week.
Oh.
I don't know whether he was in Sweden or whether he did it before Swedish television from here or somewhere else, but it was on Swedish television.
We're in that, in that situation where he's going to play our game very, very freely.
I don't know what the point is really.
I mean, you know, there are the sharps and the low.
I think that helps nationally in the sense that people look
Who was it that was analyzing the fact that all that the American people have now, that for the first time in a long, long time, there's no former president.
And a former president was always sort of a father figure in the background that was there to look to beyond the man that was in the White House too, and now there isn't any more.
And that there's no question that the country eats up
what they perceive to be the president's move.
And I think you can overdo that.
I don't think our people should be talking about it.
I think the goal is that you take care of it all by itself.
And you sense what you would want to do it.
There are times, there are times not.
But you know what?
He said because the general began his father-in-law's company, I was asked to go finish the brief book this weekend, which accounts for a large store in the center.
But his point is that, he said he thought that the press would be, he said that the press would be watching the movie as compared to the last one.
still there, is being taken into a certain extent.
That's what I'm talking about.
This would be what you call, what I would call, the predator, you know, the style.
And I think sometimes, you know, it's like something hanging down.
And it was like, that went through the whole angry bit, you know, and so forth.
Now, obviously, the sapphire or those, you know, can kill too much the other way.
You know, exactly what that's trying to do.
came back very conciliatory.
Stumped by the criticism.
Yeah.
What you're bringing up by earlier reports, Nixon made a conscious effort to educate the press.
In a striking conciliatory, striking shift to a conciliatory attitude.
That doesn't mean that you're not concerned by the battle ahead with the Congress of trying to rule back some of the unfriendly press or something.
You know, they, that's...
I don't think it does.
That, uh, I really don't.
As long as you've got television, as long as you're, uh...
That's why they didn't say you were angry at the other ones.
You saw you on television.
You weren't angry.
They said it, but it doesn't do any good.
It's like they're rather pathetic at times.
I'll say a ton of people saw him.
They said, well, I saw him.
I've seen that one.
And he meant it.
He was from the heart.
Particularly when half the nation cried.
And then you say, look, we're taking a psycho guy that's been out there seven and a half years in prison.
And, like, for example, just because the New York Times doesn't want to say, God damn America.
And then they maliciously align a man who has suffered enough when he says, God bless America.
Yeah.
And he's a very vicious editorial.
Yeah.
That's what it's all about.
It's to see the Times doesn't want to say, God damn America.
I think it would be very useful in this case, it would be very useful to get high levels
judgment on the tone.
You understand, I have to deliver it, but there are certain words that sometimes are used by such unnecessarily infuriating Congress.
You don't use those words.
And the last Catholic that I signed this before late night was one
That's the way, that is the way the pressure is on us people in school.
The pressure is over and over and over.
We might be struggling.
We might be struggling.
This is the way we are.
But I was thinking, and it showed me how sensitive he is to the comfort of others who can't do it.
I think he has the stomach to disrupt him.
I think it sounded brave and was fine at the time.
And he wants to get along with them because basically Bob doesn't see any other of his intellectual peers that can take their place, basically.
He's got heart, he's religious, he's an intellectual, and all of that.
state put that out, state put that out.
You know, there's another, I think there's another run at them.
Yeah.
What are they going to run at?
They always run at them.
Well, they're intelligent people.
Well, I don't know.
I don't know.
I have a feeling, really, though, that we have a weak link in the school ground.
I think you should find a guy who stands up.
I'm just giving it up on him now that I think of him.
I don't think you should stand up to him.
I don't think you should.
I don't think you should.
I don't think you should.
I don't think you should.
I don't think you should.
I don't think you should.
I don't think you should.
I don't think you should.
You can only think, you know it's exciting and all that, but you can only think of just being battered around like that so long that you have to get out and come home and work hard.
Hi, how are you?
Where did you come from?
I just got to ring you up to see if you were back.
Yeah, I was going to...
I thought you were out chasing pigeons.
I had one all day.
I had one all day in the afternoon, yes.
Yeah.
It's a good fellow, though, this one.
He's got a fine...
I just want to say that the head of apparel is much different from, you know, he's, well, actually, you know, he's a monster.
And a very, he doesn't look like a master, but a master with a fine, fine head, a fine face, and a very good face.
And he looks beautiful for it.
I don't know what's behind it.
I don't know.
I don't say.
It could happen to be in the media.
These guys are at least in a Western civilized context.
How long have you spent in the United States?
Well, I spent yesterday, one, two, three, seven.
Good God, that's a very long time.
Well, where do you all stand?
Well, I'm going to write you a memo because of the issues.
You don't want to hear about all the issues.
I think we should avoid saying something, take to mind the typical torture.
What the State Department doesn't understand is that the pastor that you take, which has the Arabs come to us, will get us a hell of a lot more than salivating all over.
But we went in great detail.
that I want to be sure I'm pressing and I have one in my mind.
They all need to be on the body.
Problems in my seat.
I want to cover their feet.
It's fabulous.
What we expect from anyone after the last step is to be expected within this time frame.
Negative editing.
I don't know.
come about every 50 days.
It doesn't say exactly every 50 days, but they have to heal through the withdrawal.
Actually, it's one of these filthy moves of theirs.
They ask for a beer and fly to pick up the bits, so that adds an extra taste.
But they are going to get it.
It's a bit of a secret to the dragon, but it's a private thing.
I don't know.
You're telling me that doesn't make sense.
Of course, we have to get you under control with these, uh...
Right.
...with these guys.
I understand that.
I understand that, but I don't think it's a better job.
I don't think it's a better job.
But anyway, the other thing is...
You can see it by the 28th and the 56th.
That's the way it's not going.
I think it's the same thing.
I think it's the same thing.
I think it goes out the whole thing.
I'm sure about that.
What I was just saying, it's not as much of a difference as what I was.
It's essential.
It's miserable.
It's just difficult.
Some of it, and it's life.
Because that don't, and they don't think you're doing it.
That's what allows for you to tell them that the city is locating themselves.
Yeah.
So, how do you feel about, what does it get up to?
Well, what it's in terms of, if we keep some discipline in our government, there's some division with Cisco and Rogers and so on and so forth.
But they're back with their overall position, which is they're going to be a total settlement.
So that settlement, there's got to be a settlement between the kind of things that they're doing with pizza and that.
So hopefully it's cool.
Yeah, they can set up these trees.
Yeah.
When they want to settle, they're on.
And we wouldn't care if they didn't want to settle.
And we'd want to go down to us.
But they don't have such a big amount of time.
They spend about four hours coming in.
So if you're cross-examined, you need to issue what he gave you.
I said, don't do it.
I said, that's what I said.
I said, that's what I said.
I said, that's what I said.
uh... uh...
And he, I must say, behaved very well.
He was animal, you know, he didn't give us the old habit.
And, uh, uh, the other procedures tended to be where impossible practices.
They and we, we have to be properly trained, and they would agree on some general terms.
And we agreed, we agreed on that.
then they would agree to an Interim Settlement.
After that, those two steps are taken, the General Principles agreed to by these three, the Interim Settlement, and they would begin detailed negotiations on the overall settlement of these rates, as long as they wanted static, or static, but anyway, proximity negotiations.
What we could do is, there's no sense in having the Israelis anything but a general president.
I think we should get the Israelis started on thinking about an interim president.
He said he's willing to come.
I told him a number of things.
He had to give us specific information.
I had a phone call.
I've never said to anybody.
I won't say to anybody.
If they are willing to make a statement, it should be necessary to do so.
If they know that after this,
The Jordanian and Syriac are going to follow the same procedure ahead of the three matured, followed by detail.
But that means that the Jordanian and Syriac, they could follow a year or two after.
At least the Syriac one, the Jordanian one, and the Egyptian one, you can get a Jordanian.
But with the Israelis, we're going to be covering up the bunch on one of them, rather than on all three of them simultaneously.
But we can get the greatest start agreeing to thinking about it, and practice others, and we could get it saved in a few weeks.
But also talking into ourselves, at least to decide.
I'm back here on April 10th, so I'm not in a very good position to speak for one-on-one.
I agree to it, but they'll, if we ask for clarifications, and we'll get a load of detailed work done, then he will come back here on April 10th or so, and work on what he calls heads of the treatment, that's going to be the tough one.
If we can get the basic principles worked out, then maybe in another meeting in May, it might actually be the best thing to do.
One thing that intrigues me, of course, is that the leaders, the leaders in the United States, they don't go on this.
They don't go on this to talk in detail to the Russians.
I'm going to talk to the negotiator to see if they have any reasons to check this before.
They have opted to be failed.
They have opted that if we call the negotiator, first of all, you must have the documents to find it, but we have to rush and then drive.
We have the appearance to see if the negotiator is asking the judge not to do it.
You know, it's kind of a couple of things, just...
I think what we couldn't conceivably do is if we could line up the derivatives of the expression and the deductions of the expression.
Where?
Well, the ones that lead to the ending.
Yeah.
Principles and facts are for the whole thing.
They need a head.
That's right.
They have what he calls heads of the dream.
Then conceivably fresh and then you could issue those as usual and recommendations to the parties, rehabbing those with parties ahead of time.
This thing works very hard, but if we can get the way this could work is if we get these common principles agreed with each of the churches and ourselves, and if we can issue that joint repression in relation to the bodies, which the bodies have officially done, build that trinity into itself,
If we can get them over the hills this is not a bad process.
It's the first time, up to now, they've always taken the view that the whole package must be done in one period of time.
They have to withdraw completely, and that they still say, but they are willing.
I talk to them very frankly and say, let me tell you what I think is the best we can do.
We are concerned with the security of this place here.
This is what is going on.
On the other hand, you are the master of the property of this place.
I understand.
Look, the three sovereign people of this territory, the Jews and the Jews of the South, have these hundreds of security that are put into this place.
It's restored.
We have problems with that.
And it's the first time, frankly, that we've been able to get a lot of people involved.
That's what he said to many of us.
But then, he talked to Golden Man.
He spoke to him a little bit.
He said, I don't know what to do.
The principal said to him, I don't know what to do.
I didn't feel a lesson in talking to you.
I think your idea of getting states, you've got to find a way to channel them.
channel and do something useful.
The mantles today, quite honestly, they weren't for us.
We were kind of confused about what they were going to do.
About this?
About this.
It was such a good idea that I should do a video with a Chinese boy on it.
He was really kind to himself.
He got invited to the face of the discussion.
So he left the city to do it.
I think what we have to avoid is the great danger of the state approach in 1971 was they kept floating these ideas, they were raising expectations, they were forcing these people into a transition situation.
And in that volatile situation, they then create, if they isolate Israel too much, the Soviets may think they get a free shot, then either we have to die, or we let them go down the drain, either of them.
It's very bad for us.
Now, our strategy, if I want to speak your strategy, is obviously to isolate which point in the network would you like Mr. Sampai to want to know if you want him to stay here and not follow you, don't ask him directly.
It's true.
I told this guy, I told him, you had me ask for four years if you ever put this squeeze on me.
You always refused to answer when it was time.
Until you had a proposition which you felt was a good option.
It was sexist to trigger us into an abstract confrontation with Israel until we knew exactly where we were going and at what time.
Good.
And the trouble with these state things was they would have an interim settlement and they'd be one to send out one of these trailers and then they'd go and they could throw with it.
You can't do that.
You've got to have one of these guys totally nailed down.
And so I think if we can get some talk started on the interim settlement.
Frankly, until this weekend, I didn't know how to do it.
I had no concept on how to get this cigar out.
I now see the glimmer of how we might do it.
If I, if we can get some thinking started on the end of it, then have that in the back.
Then, after that, down the road with it, throw in the principles.
Let the Arabs cooperate with us and keep the principles working so that we can bring it to the downstream to negotiate with the United States.
Then we put the two together.
It worked right into your summit against the Russians on our back, because last May the Russians and we already worked out some principles that I'll draw.
That was how we fought them off last year.
If the Israelis would accept those principles, we can claim the Russians are involved there too.
When you make those as a recommendation to the parties, then the Egyptians have a safe-saving formula of saying,
they've got their hands on the green and the temperature is we have two things going an interim settlement and direct negotiations between the Arabs and the Israelis and it will look like it and it will be a tremendous move that we could if I visualize this by next year about this time in September we might have the Egyptian bomb down and
He's probably visualizing what I'm seeing him saying tomorrow.
Oh, yes.
Never left.
What the hell are you talking about?
About this.
I just want to get a feel.
Yeah, now that we are involved, I think, if we could get just a feel.
This is how I visualize now how this process might work.
Right, right, right.
That's for the first time in...
I mean, both parties are making acts, and it's not as easy as we were working in the past.
So, of course, yes, on the other hand, we have more action.
We can't put out there.
And the threat of a cut-off aid to Israel is, when you do it, it's not going to happen.
One is going to create an uproar on the other, if it leads to an attack.
So that one we have to play.
I don't know.
We know we have our U.S. in there.
No, but we could get, I think, we could get responsible members of the Jewish community and turn them around against Israel.
Florida then voted, they said, every Jewish girl in their country has to go to Israel.
The time was September 26th, December.
You know, I thought they were not dead.
I don't know whether it's a negative thing, but you have to pay no attention to where it's a comma.
It's just right out of the... And my thought was this.
And my thought was this.
And I think it's a serious thing about succeeding in any area.
It's the same jealousy among people who play on small campuses.
It's pain.
It's pain.
The Europeans want to say that we haven't handled the Russian thing or the Vietnam thing.
Now, what the hell are they talking about there?
Well, here's what they're trying to do there.
They're trying to justify themselves for criticizing the bombings.
Well, we know it's necessary because so long.
Oh, shit.
Those POWs all know the real thing.
You know, I figured it was the New York Times was reading out of bed, and they were going to put it on the internet, and they didn't burn it.
They didn't have to be staring to sell it so much.
They were packing their tape and saying, this ship was saluted, and they were, and they all parried it, and they were lying, and they were given it.
Rather than that, of course, they realized that three-quarters of the nation cried, and so those guys come on, and they're going to be sent to the Times, and the credibility gap would be unbelievable.
What do you think of that?
Is there a description about that?
No, I don't think so.
And they tell me about the deal about you and your president.
Murder is a good thing.
You see it?
But you see, this is part of the thing that... Can I ask you about one other thing, one more positive side?
Can you get George Bundy and these people, you know, we've got to get them.
The devil doesn't necessarily...
I'd like to get Bundy and...
Do you think they will do it?
Okay then.
I'm going to hit it harder tomorrow.
The New York Times came out against the Sylvia Gassman, the today editor of The Ocean.
I didn't see that.
I don't see that.
It's not against them on what ground?
What do you think is motivating?
That's Johnny Olsen.
What the Christ is he against that for?
They've been pro-Soviet up to this time.
Now are they turning pro-Chinese?
Or do they know?
No, they're not turning pro-Chinese.
They have to destroy your foreign policy.
That is killing them, Mr. President.
Everything you have done, everything that Kennedy's been trying to do,
You've done.
They've been pissing on you, and they were really... Too long.
Too long.
If they were really smart, they'd join you, because I'm going to get up, running to 76.
And I'm going to be here.
And you're going to be here to 76, and you're going to look better than if I showed up.
Every time we do something, we have to stop it.
There's years in August, but there's always time in those weekdays to be astonished with everybody's impact.
We were so astonished, maybe it was a little more than we had expected, but it was right in the main line of your public cycle.
Just as fresh as it is right in the main line of your public cycle.
But here they came out against it.
They cannot bear to.
And they don't know anything about economics.
They're out of here.
They know it's worse than the Soviet Union.
Who's putting up the money, though, is private companies.
And they say we got out-traded on the VCOs.
There's a danger that we'll get out-traded on the oil VCOs.
And the camera was leading away with the outdress.
After the event we bought a year of Russian cars.
We did an established market dress.
Because it's a ripping deal for our shipping out of it.
All of it, they, uh, they hemmed down the dress and it just hit for granted.
I imagine that they must be they hang with him all the time or get on a conference call and they come on the phone over and over again and say oh shit what is it?
what's the crisis?
I mean why would Teddy Kennedy say about the entire thing?
it's too little too slow
Yeah, that's fair to say.
Yeah, and why didn't we, and Teddy is a very good person, and we should break relations with Taiwan.
That's what he's saying.
But Peaking is nasty enough to do it.
Well, I'm sure with Batling, I don't know what he's doing on the disaster side.
He said, oh, we're going to send a vet to see if the man has any reactions.
It's supposed to be better.
But we're going to send a vet again.
And he was badly in a lot of things.
Is that right?
Very good relations.
Very satisfied.
I'm used to being taxed, but you're not.
They gave you a couple of whacks at Indian Pakistan, by the way.
But now they're after you because they realize that it's going out of their way to watch.
Oh, I have no question.
For a while, I was the good guy.
You don't read any stories about me anymore.
Actually, these women are sort of retro-human, actually.
They put a text on me.
So they don't do any of this playbook when they're pushing me more and more.
The bad guy?
Not so much the bad guy, but... Impersonal?
Yeah, they're picking away at it.
But I think that's the other hand in terms of the public.
The public?
Yeah, all the public cares about it.
Oh, I see.
on a television program or something, and you say to them, they don't know.
You realize that a lot of the people we know here, the average Joe out there doesn't, or we wouldn't be here.
You realize that there's an awakening about it that's blurred, the China mission, the Soviet mission, the assault particularly, and the Vietnam settlement.
But none of those things were happening.
But let me say, all of them happened over the objections of, and the predictions of, these same people.
But that's their problem.
Of course.
Of course.
And it kept us in bed.
Tom Redd wrote a column this weekend from Tokyo about the Nixon shock happened on the weekend.
Two years after it went, as if everything in China had been just as it was, but shock you gave them and we gave them.
two years ago, totally out of the sense that when Kennedy made the test, actually, it was just a triviality.
You did more than that in two, three, six months with the chemical environment.
You're about to go over the end of the test.
Tests will go on, right?
What's the price?
What the hell are people speaking about?
What good is it to you?
Only those, you know, that's the only issue.
Total phony issue.
It's like the SST giving you cancer.
You get more radioactive activity from your death.
Why, sure.
Of course, of course.
We all are the best men.
We're great, great men.
A bunch of malarkey meant nothing to us.
Well, that's killing me.
But still, I think the total impact of it is...
I think it's really something like a dividend.
that we'd have had in our weeks.
We would have done something we didn't expect, and I should have.
And the best indication that we didn't plan is that we didn't expect it.
If we'd tried the program, it would never come out this way.
That was the greatest...
I was really lucky to see...
I don't know what everybody's doing about seeing him playing and saying, thank God we're out of here, and we should have been out earlier.
We are glad we're out now, but we should have been out earlier.
Listen to what they say.
They all know, as old Morris said, they clapped from the bottom.
And it started, I'll tell you that story to get out, of course, after it's over, which is all right.
After they all out, you know, it was horrible.
You know, what we went through was horrible, and it was a bad thing.
Everybody was thinking, the stars, you know, we're dreaming.
We didn't have our good paper with us on that.
But anyway, after all that, the preachers, all of you, of course, were screaming at each other about it.
The next week, the house, killing us, killing us.
Just before he went back, and that was on the 9th of January, he broke it.
God Almighty, now this is a historical achievement of God's portion.
And of course, we don't want to be served like this.
I suppose these bastards are...
And they'd be insane enough to try to hold those people up.
Now let me say, if they do, I will bomb.
I'm not going to horse you around.
I'll give them 48 hours.
I'll say 48 hours, those lists are going to come in.
I think that's what you have to do.
Don't you agree?
Yes.
Did you notice that you've got a remarkable picture of the people that's standing in front of this?
I couldn't believe it.
And then they may get work.
I think it's going to work.
Killing each other.
They gave us two Cambodian miles.
Well, Cambodia has essentially slowed down.
And it's sunk.
Almost.
Almost completely.
How many times have you had the confidence that 30 miles was not going to be enough?
Cambodia is still going up.
The Cambodians are messing it up.
Well, there, we don't give a damn about it at all.
Because that's something the Cambodians will be fighting for.
That's something they actually do.
Because I just think the fighting stuff is a lot of it, and I'm just thinking about it.
I know.
Well, I'll just get back to my work.
I'll do the rest.
Don't worry.
You see, I've got tomorrow.
Oh, wait a minute.
At 5 or 11 o'clock.
I'll get that out of the way.
But I guess I should...
I'd rather have you write me up a brief...
talking paper for Golda, because that is a very important point.
Based on, and then this can come later, see?
So, then you and I should have a talk.
You'll sit in on that, please.
Absolutely.
And then I think what I should do, then I want her, then that's what I'm going to suggest, that you go ahead and agree to their house.
Yes.
My point is, I'd like to tell her, now, look, I'd like you to have some talks here privately with Golda, see if
And then, as I would prefer to have, I've got to have probably an hour with her.
Probably an hour and a half, I guess.
But I should have an hour and a half.
And then I should say, is that enough time for me to do that?
Oh, yeah, I've been having her for dinner.
That's what she wants us to do.
Let's buy some more.
How does that fit into the game?
I have never, I've always favored cutting them, not arguing about letting them to happen, but rather cut them off when we want to put the screen on them.
All right, bye.
Thank you, Henry.
Good weekend.