{"conversationCode":"414-009","tapeNumber":414,"conversationNumber":9,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-414-009","startDateTime":"1973-03-02T14:24:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-02T14:27:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Mar-1973","startTime":"9:24 AM","endDate":"2-Mar-1973","endTime":"9:27 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Brennan, Peter J.;","description":"On March 2, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Peter J. Brennan met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 9:24 am to 9:27 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 414-009 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 414-9\n\nDate: March 2, 1973\nTime: Between 9:24 am and 9:27 am\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Patrick J. Buchanan.\n\n[See Conversation No. 37-27]","filename":["414-009.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Brennan, Peter J."],"prevCode":"414-008","nextCode":"414-010","transcript":[{"start":0.84,"end":2.3,"text":"Hello."},{"start":3.3,"end":19.91,"text":"Do you have any other stuff you want to... Oh, yeah."},{"start":19.93,"end":20.14,"text":"Sure, sure."},{"start":20.18,"end":22.83,"text":"Yeah, but... Oh, yeah."},{"start":22.85,"end":26.53,"text":"What about the..."},{"start":26.55,"end":30.24,"text":"I think we might get something on the dollar business."},{"start":30.26,"end":30.36,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":31.6,"end":47.7,"text":"Why did you ask Shelton?"},{"start":47.72,"end":48.36,"text":"I mean, we had him here already."},{"start":89.47,"end":114.17,"text":"Yeah, that's good."},{"start":114.19,"end":114.87,"text":"That's a good way to handle those."},{"start":114.89,"end":115.53,"text":"Yeah, yeah, I said so too, yeah."},{"start":125.33,"end":131.7,"text":"The old Ruckus, huh?"},{"start":132.14,"end":134.38,"text":"Who is it?"},{"start":134.4,"end":135.14,"text":"Who is it?"},{"start":135.16,"end":141.13,"text":"I'm scared of the people who predicted the other Ruckus, huh?"},{"start":141.15,"end":141.33,"text":"Daughter?"},{"start":142.61,"end":142.83,"text":"Wife?"},{"start":142.85,"end":147.79,"text":"Was she a woman's liver?"},{"start":147.81,"end":153.24,"text":"Right, I didn't know that."},{"start":153.26,"end":153.58,"text":"The what?"},{"start":153.6,"end":153.78,"text":"Good God."},{"start":153.8,"end":154.64,"text":"Martha didn't like it all on the elephant."},{"start":180.32,"end":187.55,"text":"I think I'll just let them all go."},{"start":187.57,"end":194.68,"text":"Because basically, yeah, you could say, well, they're here."},{"start":194.7,"end":195.18,"text":"Okay, fine."},{"start":195.26,"end":198.73,"text":"They want to think you could check the dollar."},{"start":198.75,"end":200.49,"text":"So what else do you want to do?"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Secretary of Labor Peter J. Brennan to discuss current political optics and personnel management strategies. The dialogue centered on the administration's approach to labor and economic leaders, specifically regarding the handling of individuals like Shelton and the broader implications of currency fluctuations. The discussion concluded with the President indicating a relaxed stance toward certain administrative staffers, suggesting a desire to move past recent controversies.","topics":["Economic policy","Labor relations","Personnel management","Currency devaluation","Political strategy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T18:50:35.116Z"},"topicSlugs":["economic-policy","labor-relations","personnel-management","currency-devaluation","political-strategy"],"audioDurationSec":208,"audioFiles":[{"file":"414-009.mp3","bytes":1431552,"durationSec":207.89,"bitrate":55087,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:46.739Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:36.193Z","transcriptGapSeconds":57,"transcriptGapShare":0.28,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/414-009.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/414-009","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/414/conversation-414-009","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}