Nixon, Haldeman & Kissinger on Vietnam War and POWs

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I think he doesn't grade each other enough that I just don't want to waste his time.
Yeah, it's been a lot of work.
You've got to go out there and all that.
He agreed with that.
He said he thought, you know, he wants to know why it was.
He's going to be able to cut it out and be a little better.
That's right.
And see what they're thinking about it.
He did a thing last night, which I think is probably the best thing.
He went out into New York to Detroit and came out to have a dinner.
I don't know where it was.
We didn't know if it was in there or if it was at the bank.
And that's more important.
John said he thought that was quite productive that they had, you know,
The chairman of the board of the top 50 companies in the United States or in the United States of America said that the growth had something to do with that.
And much better than that.
So how did you get John saying that that was very productive last night to be able to do it?
Because the value to those people is getting not substance so much as an understanding of
and the White House and the administration where they have a lot of historic views and they have progress and all that stuff.
You thought that was impressive, right?
I'm not sure.
I don't know.
I think you're doing that sort of thing.
I'm not sure I can do stuff like that.
I can do that much better.
I'm not going to give you speeches.
I'm not going to give you speeches.
I don't think so.
But I don't think these congressional things, and I think one of the congressional things is that, but I don't think no public statements and no public briefings are controlled by them.
I could.
I don't want to tell them.
I don't want any of that to occur ever.
On the other hand, I think you look at it over there.
I think you ought to see those two people.
There's no choice in that.
I mean, I don't think there's no choice, but I could improvise.
some of your questions they were sitting in
John, particularly, wants you to have a quick appointment next week with Jerry Wilson.
I'm asking you today, the sole purpose may be to keep him from going.
He has a sense of community and stuff like that.
And then you say somewhere that anyone for next week or any other year.
I don't like getting any of you asking him what he's going to say.
Well, John always gets, he's obsessed with it.
There's a deputy queen.
Well, the objection, you know, brings me to think about it.
We can still say that we have two points of precedent.
But I think he should, is he going to do anything out of the context of the crisis?
Well, no, I haven't asked about that.
Okay.
Well, if they didn't put it that way, then I have corrected the Secretary of State as to the immediate clarification of this.
Before I mentioned this, I said, rather than putting it, nothing else will be done.
You see what I mean?
Is it very important?
Also, he's saying it's going to get settled anyway.
That's probably why it's going to get settled anyway.
That's why I like the book.
I'm sure it's going to get settled.
I think it is, yes.
It's going to get settled.
I should be able to keep it from being done.
Well, I feel short in the comments.
It doesn't make you want this comment to break up.
I feel short in the comments.
It's not going to break up.
Well, I say, I directed the Secretary of State to raise this subject, I mean, as a matter of the highest priority, before, because I'm going to get to this subject, to raise this subject, because I'm at the International Conference, as a matter of the highest priority, before other businesses transact on this subject.
uh... uh... uh... uh...
He says, British are mad.
What if British are mad?
It would be because of who we are.
British are mad.
Why British are mad?
He says, Lord, you need better.
You need better.
You need better.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
uh... uh... uh... uh... uh...
Yeah, we don't, we don't, we don't, we don't try to bring them to Congress.
That's the only sign for us.
And also, it goes a little bit far.
But it's a little bit strong.
And it's just the same.
It's nice.
It's nice.
It's nice.
It's nice.
It's nice.
It's nice.
It's nice.
... ... ... ... ... ...
And what do you see?
Anyway, straight to their advantage, what do you feel is the position of locking the person?
Is that what they're thinking about?
That's what they're thinking.
I think it's a matter of how they're going to prevent it.
They don't care that they're going to do it.
I think it's going to backfire on that.
and that's the only thing that's left for us to do.
That's what brought me here.
All right
I don't know.
You know, we want the Congress to go forward, but this Congress will be meaningless, totally meaningless, unless the agreements, unless the abortion agreements, because the O.W.
is strictly here.
Meaningless as far as we can see.
Unless it's strictly there.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, I can see Bill was sitting there, you know, they're all close to each other and smiling at each other and all that sort of thing.
Well, true, you know, he says, well, the other thing is, once in a while, there's a great time, you know what I mean?
And the lightest thing he got to use is one of the few little things to destroy the universe.
He says, well, it's good, but it's not good.
We don't get it.
It's not good.
It's not good.
You know what I mean?
The idea that this conference was played out is just wrong.
Secondly, all our experience in the Middle East has been insulting to the people.
It's true.
It's true.
It's true.
It's true.
It's true.
It's true.
All right.
Is Roger supposed to hide?
Is this a secret conference and he's not supposed to know he's there?
and also play a part in the manatees and all that we've got.
The state of the United States should be non-public in its attendance in the government.
And we are.
But on the other hand, we're out of the state of the United States.
And we're out of the state of the United States.
Well, for a while, the conference going ahead, the president going, that's what I have.
That's what I'm going to do.
It just kills you considering that a lot of us have got cameras dragging us to go back and fix that, that, that, you know.
So then, what do you think?
You think so?
He has gone on vacation back all day every day, and then he's been to another country, and so on, and so on, and so on.
And also not remembering that he's got the garage door.
A couple of hours.
You'll get the words.
I don't want to let Agnes go.
I want to do it on my own.
I think you have the date on there.
I want to be sure it's confirmed.
I know that he knows because I know that some of his friends are friends with me.
I already invited him to that recording.
I was like, I don't know.
I was just curious about something.
What in the hell was she talking about?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know his name.
I don't know his name.
I don't know his language.
I was getting hired by the White House.
Where was the White House?
It was over at McKinney.
We did not need it.
They said, you know, you'll agree to pay me for the career.
It's all service and play.
And so you don't go to the park service.
It's not a chance to talk into that.
And then the latter was, because I'm not a colleague, just one of the staff, and so did everybody else in the profession.
There's a son of a bitch in the inaugural that says, you raised your hand, you went down the steps, and stood right behind.
So all of the photographs that were taken in the picture from the front had him in them.
And he was wearing a bright black hunting jacket, one of the white jackets that Chris Cross was on.
So he stands out and I show it up and everybody else is waiting to go, we're not playing with that.
What happened?
Holly, well, we're on Holly.
We just go.
And then the guy worked at the park service, so he called Ron Walker to tell him about it.
So Ron Walker called the guy and he can't do it.
So he writes a heart piece about this great photographer who's been around photographing presidents.
And it's a memorable picture of Caroline Kennedy, Pauline, and all that kind of crap that's now going on somewhere.
But they're joking about why we should never let it go to the park service.
He wrote a letter of apology and all that.
And they just let it go on and on, I guess.
I didn't even know this in Africa until I saw the story.
But I did see the pictures.
And I wondered, is there anything that I write about this?
He's finally going to talk about his whole world.
Because they all believe that they will stay out of the picture so the others can get it.
So this other person went and hid in one of the pictures.
rather than her history and her name.
And the way it makes the picture is crazy.
I love it.
Well, it did in the sense of, you know, you're an overall picture of yourself, but I love her character.
Standing next to you.
I haven't brought up another story, which I sort of wanted to go over.
Did I talk to them a little bit?
And we know it's a good job, but it's too long, isn't it?
And I don't think we want this back.
It's what every day is going on.
I think they're just beginning.
And here's what I think.
I think it needs to be growing.
It's impossible to get out of there.
There's never such.
And that's an appendix.
In other words, like an appendix.
calls, editorials, and so on.
Now, the notes should be put all the way in, except for Nebraska.
Nebraska would be in the appendix.
But there, a person that doesn't have a hell of a lot of time, a hell of a lot of time, can read the notes.
And then, if he wants, on a weekend, he can read the appendix.
The appendix can come.
How does that work?
It's very easy.
because they have other things that they have to wait through all the time.
See, I've already read a time magazine, which most people have, but a lot of people have.
But I haven't even read the time magazine.
It's amazing.
You have to have to wait through all the time, so you kind of have to look at it to make sure you aren't missing something else.
Well, what I had is what you need are the wire services, and you need the TV, you know, because that is what...
So there you get your senators and your congressmen and what they did.
That whole wire service, that's very important for people to get.
Because they made a list of those stories.
And then if you toss out those things, you toss the criminal with major stuff.
Columns, and what the business people said, or what the site said, or what, uh, or frankly, what a rough set of the grassroots show I've had.
That kind of TV show should be in the committees.
On the other hand, Sarah Rice should be right up there.
And then, you know,
I think it's another joke, another point.
The wrong thing is I sort of read all this stuff.
I think what we're getting, like a summary today, is a rather distorted opinion and a reflection of even what reporters are saying.
They're trying to describe what they're talking about.
This campaign has been started in a short time, and it went by.
Now, my point is, my point is that is disturbing to them.
And also, you know, for example, to me, to react more strongly to that than I should, you know, that's the other thing.
So my point, the same is true with regard to
I mean, I think it's all right.
I mean, I like to read sometimes.
So that's a kind of stuff.
Well, the title, of course, I make to read at the end of the week.
If I'm busy one day, some day, you know, just because I don't know what the hell.
I don't mean it takes all that much time.
It doesn't take too much time.
It just makes me feel like, well, it's hard to get up.
But I have to be able to put together a story, a couple of them, a little stuff, and get it.
What people are hearing.
Well, you're right.
There's a distortion that I brought up.
There's another distortion.
There's a tiny distortion.
It's tiny.
It's hot.
It's current.
The columns are two or three days lagging behind.
And they ought to be separate.
They ought to be worth breaking down scantily from the analysts of what wrote
It's still worth getting his analysis.
It's an equally noisy environment.
That was the same concept that we heard in the summer, but it comes with something else in here.
And it's good to hear what these things are.
I've heard it in here, you know, it's too long.
I don't know what they're talking to.
Now, again, I don't want to hear a separate piece.
We'll have to be able to put it together.
That's all right.
But I would simply say, cause, let's have a, let's get a balance here.
Let's kind of look at some notes.
And that's what it sounds like to me.
So then, appendix, appendix.
And then you can call it and then it will try to introduce you into the community.
All that you need to do is make concessions.
All of those should be made concessions.
That's what I have in mind.
We have a lot of good ideas for concessions.
Okay, let's not worry about that.
Let's do that.
Thank you.
That's a money-sucking thing to hang out for.
There are a lot of bigger chains of people that don't.
And I'm not a driver.
I talk to a lot of people and say,
You know, I don't think more of it than that during the day.
But there is an interest in all of it.
It would be a nice project.
I don't know if I asked, but I think, what, what the situation, uh, ended up on, getting back to a stop, or what I left out.
I don't think that's about what's good for a guy.
Yeah, that's a good example.
Yeah, they do.
Yeah.
The, the scene is, on a, on a show, and it is, yeah, it is, uh, how they all get out of it.
That's the interesting, it's a very, it's a bad story.
So instead of going away, you had rocks out
He didn't fire.
We've got photos of the simulation on the site.
They're lying around the site.
That's the context for it.
Well, any time you've got an old Kennedy incident, that site is gone.
It's on and on.
All the immortal pictures, this guy's got the John Kennedy, soon-to-be D.T.
book, as it went by in the Imperial Parade.
And that D.T.
book, there's some things that John could
I was out at the farm, out at the Kennedy's in Virginia the day before Kennedy got shot.
I took pictures of John, John's looking over there.
You know, it's a log, log type Kennedy thing.
I think you'll see a lot of that out of sight trying to be, you know, an abandoned camp alive.
Well, I said, everybody else is trying to go to the farm.
Let me ask you, what is the situation
I saw her there, and she's gone.
Two people were killed right off the off because of the water game.
Another one left because of the water game.
I'm trying to find out.
Nobody knows.
As far as I can hear, there was a couple of people who died.
I haven't heard.
I don't think we can just say they're making it all up because it's hard.
But I have a feeling about it.
I think my main concern is whether the information was filled with stats and things like that.
And I just don't know.
I mean, I'm not going to do it.
I won't be thinking about it.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I wonder if he met Clyde.
I can't tell you Clyde will do that.
I think he did at one point.
I don't think, I don't buy this as being Clyde at all.
If I wasn't gone, Clyde isn't going to work on it.
He was working for self-reservation, yes.
And he does church.
He was one of the parents of the guy.
He brought back a tall boy.
He was quiet.
He appreciated the trip.
It was great that Henry never ended up being alone.
He didn't try to mess with me at all.
He was trying to be out of his mind.
And it's completely non-cluster because a lot of his things are somewhat spied.
Instead, it should be done across his mind.
But it's quite helpful and I'm sure
and he got some stuff to do in New England here on Sunday, and then he stopped.
And he got some photographers out and around, and then all of a sudden he stopped out and had a look at it.
And he said, this interview, I'm sure it goes through, the accuracy of our mocking is so superb, it's almost beyond belief.
And Herb said, it really is incredible.
I heard the, did you go to the story and shit area?
And all of a sudden you see this whole story and shit area, it's just open area.
And here's some grocery stalls, homes, things like that, right on the edge of a nice place to eat.
Also, there's all the buildings are still there.
The railroad station is still being knocked out, and all the buildings are on the edge of the sand.
Airports are demolished.
And then, what is it?
What the hell is driving the logic?
I guess you want to know if there's any scatter.
That's what I'm concerned about.
And the thing that has worried me all along is that it's still good.
Which is that there is what, not that stuff is going out now, but that stuff went out at that time.
That these, you know, the press or the people that are leading the press have stored up.
And that they've broken it.
Now they're dropping this out, drop by drop.
On the other hand, you would think they would have used everything they could before the election.
I don't want to get everybody around here.
I don't want everybody around here.
care to death, they can respond on all that sort of thing.
We're not, you know what I mean?
We didn't snap that on about breaking the shadow, but like I said, you know, it doesn't matter.
You know, maybe, let's say we, you know, saw a system on the way up, I'm not sure if we're, if we're a system of that kind.
Well, Chuck, you know, we also, we're not going to talk about what you can do, but there are a lot of people that you can pick that up.
A lot of us,
He had great pride in his tabler articles and stuff like that.
He made it very clear what this came from.
It was fine when he did it with you.
You know, that's one thing.
It's incredible.
I don't know about all of them.
I don't know about any of them.
It's like the tabler.
The tabler.
I remember when he was getting that.
Right.
But if you do something with it, let her know.
Let's try something else about that.
Let's, uh, let, like, let her know.
Okay.
We're going to have to get her out of here.
All right.
Let her know.
Let her know.
She might be able to get it.
All right.
Let's just go.
The guy did it.
You can't take a motor car out if something doesn't happen.
I don't know if anybody has done it.
Well, she's got it on her mind.
It must be Bob.
Somebody is there.
He might have canned it.
You know what I mean?
That's my partner.
Very, very much my partner.
And I hope to find her some time.
I'm doubting how long it's gonna take.
If you are to have confidence in Maroney's ability to work in a parallel center to an outside operation is difficult enough.
This project can be accomplished in 10, building in Yeltsin, Yeltsin, Palo Alto, California.
Maroney is terribly important.
He understands the importance and he's got the ability to see.
When it does come to the White House, from the outside, an awful lot of it, we can only
You see the whole wide area of the system.
There's debate on the budget.
I've talked a little bit about this in history.
I've talked a little bit about debate on the budget.
Obviously, there's a lot of debt involved on their ground, which is the specifics.
And there's a lack of compassion on the ground.
Maybe I've got to give John more of a charge in this respect.
I think so.
You know, it's a treasured thing.
It's a legend.
Battle.
Legends.
That's the domestic problem.
And John should have overall command of it.
And he should build it in Congress, in the press, and in substance here.
Right.
And it should not be put in a shelter.
And they should handle the substance.
I'm sure.
And the battle, really, should handle the battle.
And he's also got internet.
I'll remember that game.
I know how important the medal is.
But there's an awful, awful tendency to, you know, not just shut up and let go.
You know, what the hell is the rest of the game?
I'll pay you for sure.
All right.
All right.
All right.
My present plan now is to go to the restaurant tomorrow.
I still got the time to sit down and go to the restaurant or something like this, but tomorrow is the preferred day, but I prefer to get the restaurant up there then out, you know, before that.
by her.
Okay.
As soon as you don't want to speak to the governor, it's a good idea to bring in domestic stuff.
Do you have a further suggestion?
Yeah, that's a chance to do it.
Thank you for talking to me.
I'm not kidding.
Somebody's turning to the governor.
And I told one of the governors, and I turned to the governor,
Well, I mean, it is what it is.
It's an awful time.
All things is quite honest.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
It's a hell of a lot better if you let everybody else cover that, which is certainly very worth it.
You've got the dinner, and everything's nice, and you've got a couple of them.
These, how this all relates, how they're causing for that whole big picture now, which otherwise would be a chance, but, you know, they have children pushing problems, and children, and children, and children.
I know I have to make .
I guess I'm going to have to work with that.
Yeah, I'm speaking English as president.
I'm just trying to make sure .
Thank you.

Nixon, Haldeman & Kissinger on Vietnam War and POWs

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