{"conversationCode":"415-021","tapeNumber":415,"conversationNumber":21,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-415-021","startDateTime":"1973-02-27T17:35:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-27T17:40:00.000Z","startDate":"27-Feb-1973","startTime":"12:35 PM","endDate":"27-Feb-1973","endTime":"12:40 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On February 27, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 12:35 pm to 12:40 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 415-021 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 415-21\n\nDate: February 27, 1973\nTime: Between 12:35 pm and 12:40 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\f                                               -34-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 43-209]","filename":["415-021.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"415-020","nextCode":"415-022","transcript":[{"start":0.34,"end":5.47,"text":"So, are you off?"},{"start":30.3,"end":53.48,"text":"All right."},{"start":53.5,"end":54.74,"text":"And according to the South, we have to be ."},{"start":54.76,"end":55.86,"text":"Well, the Y is, well, the violations of the ceasefire ."},{"start":55.88,"end":56.48,"text":"That doesn't mean they can't ."},{"start":58.22,"end":84.24,"text":"Yeah, and that's the great thing about industry retention."},{"start":84.26,"end":84.94,"text":"Hopefully you'll hire them at all."},{"start":84.96,"end":85.06,"text":"Good."},{"start":85.08,"end":85.18,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":85.2,"end":85.46,"text":"That's right."},{"start":85.48,"end":85.58,"text":"Good."},{"start":85.6,"end":85.86,"text":"That's right."},{"start":85.88,"end":86.28,"text":"Well, you know what?"},{"start":86.3,"end":87.26,"text":"Well, I hope everything's going to be all right."},{"start":87.28,"end":87.67,"text":"Well, they get out."},{"start":87.69,"end":87.89,"text":"They will."},{"start":104.76,"end":111.55,"text":"Good tale."},{"start":111.57,"end":113.22,"text":"It was certainly better than I had heard."},{"start":135.1,"end":135.66,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler briefly discussed the ongoing implementation of the Vietnam ceasefire and related diplomatic challenges. The conversation touched upon the status of ceasefire violations and the management of personnel or industry-related logistics. The meeting served as a brief administrative touchpoint between the President and his press secretary regarding these sensitive foreign policy developments.","topics":["Vietnam Ceasefire","Diplomatic Relations","Press Relations","Ceasefire Violations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T18:53:16.711Z"},"topicSlugs":["vietnam-ceasefire","diplomatic-relations","press-relations","ceasefire-violations"],"audioDurationSec":157,"audioFiles":[{"file":"415-021.mp3","bytes":731136,"durationSec":156.93,"bitrate":37271,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:46.738Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:36.367Z","transcriptGapSeconds":49,"transcriptGapShare":0.31,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/415-021.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/415-021","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/415/conversation-415-021","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}