Conversation 416-018

TapeTape 416StartThursday, March 1, 1973 at 5:40 PMEndThursday, March 1, 1973 at 6:40 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Sanchez, Manolo;  Cole, Kenneth R., Jr.;  Ziegler, Ronald L.Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On March 1, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Manolo Sanchez, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:40 pm to 6:40 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 416-018 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 416-18

Date: March 1, 1973
Time: 5:40 pm-6:40 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

          Yitzhak Rabin's birthday

[Pause]

          Rose Mary Woods [?]
               -President’s tenure
                     -Term length

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       Breeding of King Timahoe
            -[First name unknown] Elderidge
            -Female dog
                   -Right selection
                   -Pedigree
                          -Owners
            -Litter
                   -Pick of the litter
                          -Age of puppies
                          -President’s choice
            -Stud fee
            -Puppies
                   -Number
                          -Irish setters
                          -Springer spaniels
                          -Labrador retrievers
            -Litter
                   -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
            -Selection of puppies

       John B. Connally [?]

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 5:40 pm.

       King Timahoe

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 6:00 pm.

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       Jerry H. Jones
             -Conversation with Haldeman
                   -Personnel

       Wilbur D. Mills
            -Talk with Connally
            -Drinking
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            -Health
                  -George P. Shultz
                  -Medication
            -Surcharge
                  -Criticism of Shultz
            -David L. Parr
                  -Milk producers
                  -Presence with Mills
                  -Milk subsidies

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      Connally
           -Party change
                 -Rumors
           -George Christian
           -William F. (“Billy”) Graham
                 -Comments on Connally’s change in parties
           -Marvin Watson
                 -Change in party allegiance

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      Watson
           -Post in administration
           -Armand Hammer
           -Integrity
           -Support for President
           -Abilities
           -Post Office position
                 -Graham
                 -Appointment process
                 -Winton M. (“Red”) Blount
           -Watson's desire for position
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     -Cabinet office
          -Transportation Secretary

Veterans Administration [VA]
     -Donald E. Johnson
     -Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW)
     -William J. Baroody, Jr.
     -Deputy administrator
     -Murray M. Chotiner
           -Opposition to Johnson
                 -Reasons
                       -Deputies
                       -Controversy
                       -Firing
                       -Fred B. Rhodes
                       -Rufus H. Wilson
                       -Richard L. Roudebush
     -John D. Ehrlichman

Robert C. Seamans, Jr.
     -Elliot L. Richardson's proposal
            -Defense Department position
                  -Robert S. McNamara
     -Qualifications
            -National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]
            -Systems analysis
            -Scientist
            -David Packard's support
            -Air Force
            -Richardson
     -Henry A. Kissinger's opinion
     -Softness
     -[First name unknown]Wheeler [?]
     -Richardson
            -Reasons for nominations

John S. Patterson
     -Ties to President
     -Subversive Activities Control Board [SACB]
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            -Age
                  -Executive order
            -SACB
                  -Discontinuation
                  -Funding
                  -Board members
                        -Retirement
            -Alternative position
                  -Congress

       Under Secretary of Commerce
            -Candidates
                  -George D. Webster
                  -Bryan F. Smith
                        -Texas Instruments [TI]
                        -Connally ties
                        -William P. Clements, Jr.
                        -Qualifications
                  -Webster
                        -Desire for job
                        -Charles W. Colson
                              -Support
                        -Qualification
                        -Promises of job
                              -Discussion

Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 5;40 pm.

       King Timahoe

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 6;00 pm.

                   -Smith
                        -Connally's support
                        -Background
                        -Support for President
                             -Texas
                   -Webster
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                 -Problems
                 -Other job
                        -Qualifications
                        -Treasury Department
                              -General Counsel
                                    -Shultz’s preference
           -President's decision
           -Discussion with Colson

Federal Loan Bank Board
     -Appointment of chairman
           -Problem
                 -John A. Stastny
                       -Home builder
                       -Opposition to Hunt Commission
                       -New legislation
           -Candidate
                 -Qualifications
                       -Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation
           -Better candidate

Under Secretary of Commerce
     -Frederick B. Dent
     -Smith

Arms Control and Disarmament Agency [ACDA] director appointment
     -Candidates
     -Kissinger's views
           -Philip J. Farley
     -Kissinger's recommendation
           -[First name unknown] Hertzfeld
                  -Bell Laboratories
                  -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
                  -Conflict of interest
                        -Safeguard software
                        -American Telephone and Telegraph [AT&T]
                        -International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT]
     -Fred C. Ikle
           -Rand Corporation
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                   -Second choice
                   -Anti-Ballistic Missile [ABM] debate
                   -Confirmation chances
                   -Jackson's choice
                         -Ability
                         -Acceptability
                               -Kissinger
             -Age
             -Deputy directors
             -Ikle
                   -Jackson’s favor

       Ethnic appointees
             -Blacks
             -Italian-Americans
             -Mexican-Americans
             -Polish-Americans
             -Honorary posts

       Robert H McBride
            -Ambassadorial post
                 -Mexico

       Foreign Service Officers [FSOs]

       Mexico
            -US ambassador
                 -Qualifications
                 -[First name unknown] Reynolds
                        -Ecuador

Ronald L. Ziegler entered at 6;00 pm.

       Questions [?]

       US ambassador in Sudan
            -Kissinger
            -Hostages
            -Captor demands
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             -Airplane shoot down

       Wounded Knee occupation
           -“Custer’s Last Stand”
           -Ziegler’s response
           -Bureau of Indian Affairs
                 -Ehrlichman
                 -Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.
                        -Update

       Watergate
            -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] report
            -Press questions for Ziegler
            -L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III [?]

Haldeman talked with Cole at an unknown time between 6:00 pm and 6:20 pm.

[Conversation No. 416-18A]

[See Conversation No. 37-25]

       American Indians
           -BIA

       Watergate
            -Investigation
            -E. Howard Hunt, Jr.
            -Dita Beard
            -Comments to the press

[End of telephone conversation]

       Wounded Knee occupation
           -BIA involvement
           -John C. Whitaker
           -Richard G. Kleindienst
                 -Marshals
           -Negotiations
                 -Hostages
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     -BIA involvement
     -Press questions for Ziegler

Capture of US ambassador
     -Palestinians
     -US policy on hostages
           -Connection to American Indian affairs

Press relations
      -North Vietnam

Watergate
     -Donald H. Segretti
          -Story in New York Times
     -Charles W. Colson and E. Howard Hunt, Jr.
          -White House investigation
                -Statement for press
     -Executive privilege
          -Statement

Press relations
      -Prisoners of war [POWs] story
             -Publicity
             -Aid for administration’s standing
             -George S. McGovern
                   -Policy on POWs
             -Vietnam settlement
                   -Concessions
                   -Minesweeping
      -POW issue
             -Negotiations
             -Linkage
             -Saigon
                   -Agreements
             -US contacts with all parties
      -Vietnam settlement
             -Cease-fire violations
                   -International Commission of Control and Supervision [ICCS]
                         -US contacts
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                           -Ziegler’s comments
                           -Gen. Gilbert H. Woodward
                           -Decline
                           -Woodward
                                 -Statement on missile sites
                           -US response [?]

Ziegler left at 6:20 pm.

       United States Secret Service [USSS]
            -Problem
                   -Agent's meeting with Haldeman
                         -Robert H. (“Bob”) Taylor
            -James J. Rowley and Lilburn E. (“Pat”) Boggs
                   -Conflict with Taylor
                         -Taylor's departure
            -Haldeman's meeting with Taylor and William H. Duncan
                   -Taylor's feelings
            -Clinton J. Hill
                   -Dislike of Taylor, Haldeman, and President
                   -Alan Cox
                   -Supporter of Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
                         -Cover up
                   -Assignment to Treasury Department
                         -Assistant Director at headquarters
            -Edward L. Morgan
                   -Ehrlichman
                   -Handling of problem
                   -Conversation with Taylor and Duncan
                   -Call from Rowley
            -Boggs
                   -Drinking
            -Richard E. Keiser [Kaiser]
                   -Presidential protection detail
                         -Acting director
                         -Clothing
                         -Haircuts
                         -Mustaches
                         -Grooming
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                 -Respect for presidency
                 -Compared to Taylor
                 -Opinion of young agents
                 -Esprit de corps
                       -Marine Corps
                 -Agents drinking on a trip
                       -Opinion
          -John F. Kennedy assassination
                 -USSS failures
                       -Drinking the night before
                             -Impact on protection
                             -Warren Report
          -Politics
                 -Compared with FBI
                 -Impact on President
          -Helen A. Thomas article
                 -Source
                 -Rose Mary Woods
                 -Duncan
                 -Rowley and Boggs
          -Hill
                 -Abilities
                 -Transfer
                 -Current responsibilities
          -Rowley
                 -Other agents' opinions
                 -Retirement date
                       -Replacement
                             -Boggs
                             -Haldeman's plan
          -Hill’s removal
          -Taylor
                 -Promotion
                 -Hill
                 -Loyalty
                 -Respect of other agents

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      United States Secret Service [USSS]
           -Photographer
           -Taylor
                  -Evaluation
           -Boggs and Rowley
           -Hill
                  -Taylor
                  -Source for Thomas story
                  -Need to transfer
                  -Kennedy loyalist
                  -Background
                  -Lyndon B. Johnson detail in Texas
                  -Hostility to Haldeman
           -Need for shakeup
                  -Plan
                        -Morgan
                  -Duncan and Taylor
                  -Keiser [Kaiser]
           -Appearance of agents
                  -Mustaches
                  -J. Edgar Hoover at FBI
           -Taylor
                  -Loyalty to President
                        -Vice Presidency, 1953-1961
                  -Promotion
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             -Duncan
                   -Motivations
                   -Transfer
             -Boggs
                   -Loyalty to administration
             -Rowley
                   -Retirement date
             -John Kennedy, Johnson, Robert F. (“Bobby”) Kennedy

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       Craig S. Campbell
             -Health
             -William M. Lukash’s opinion
             -Brent G. Scowcroft
                   -Move to Naval hospital [?]

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       John V. (“Jack”) Brennan
            -Johnson
                   -Promotion of unknown man
            -Promotion
                   -Vietnam record

       Maj. Gen. James D. Hughes
            -Promotion

       Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft
            -Promotion to general

       Military aides
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               -Selection
               -Army
               -Air Force
               -Navy
               -Army
               -Air Force
                     -Scowcroft

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 6:20 pm.

       Order

       Departure

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 6:40 pm.
      Dwight L. Chapin
              -Departure from White House staff
              -Location
                    -Delta Airlines
                          -Chicago

       Dog
               -Breeding
               -Dignity

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            -Answer
            -Alternative candidate
            -Unknown woman
            -Unknown man

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We're in rows.
The important thing is that the road is green 500 days.
The important thing is that the road is green 500 days.
The important thing is that the road is green 500 days.
Mr. Aldridge, the news bringer, he says, I want to be sure I get this.
He's a hell of a nice guy.
He said, first of all, you want to get the right email.
What's the right?
I mean, take care of it.
Go to the line that doesn't have the right one now.
What does it have to be correct?
What are the names and that sort of thing?
Well, the lineage should be properly related.
So it's read to the right lines.
So the public should read that.
Then he wants to make sure the owners are people, are not people who will exploit the fact that it was your dog.
He doesn't have one of his own.
He doesn't have one of his own.
But he says he can find it.
He knows where to go.
And then he said, you should get a picture of the litter.
All of it.
And he would find the picture.
He said he would make that picture.
He should link it to the box and trade it off on silver.
So it was
And that's how we'll attend those four months.
Let them get about that big, and then you'll bring them any good rod, and then you can decide which one you want to do.
Which one do you want to do?
Which one do you want to do?
And very good.
Very good.
Obviously, we're not charging the stud team.
Oh, they usually charge the stud team.
Oh, yeah.
I'm not sure, but I would guess probably it's the 8 to 10.
Springer and Spaniel have about 8 or 9.
And
It's important.
He said don't just rush to
He's a fine dog.
You might as well bring him to the right.
You know, get the right line of buddies.
And you'll have some fine dogs.
You might as well bring him to the dog.
I think yesterday he was out here.
He had one.
Why don't you bring the dog over for a minute.
I don't think it's just the rest of them.
And, uh,
I'll talk with Jerry Jones and personnel.
I wanted to know if he had had a long time with the Bills.
He'll recall that after he talked with the Bulls on Friday.
He says, I can't figure out.
It was early in the day.
He said, I know.
I can't imagine he was drunk that early.
When he found out, it shows me that he was under heavy sedation.
And on and off he goes in cycles.
And it was not totally rational.
And some of that query of phone call business and all that may have been on a down cycle.
But he said he was just rabid on the search artist thing.
And he was extremely critical of Shelton.
And Shelton said, this means the rest of the general and the service to the nation.
And John said, I think you ought to know.
You ought to tell Shelton this.
that I suspect, I can't prove it, but I suspect that the reason for all of that might have been the fact that the guy that was with him when he made the calls was David Carr in the milk business.
And he says, I think that this all came out of that milk substance business.
And that your wife was there and those were showing off or something.
I'm not going to simplify that, but both of them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Billy Graham called today and said that he thinks Huntley's going to ship.
He wanted us to keep in mind that if Huntley ships, any effort were made, Marlon Watson would also ship.
He said that he quite significant in other areas.
And he also said Marlon Watson
I said, I don't know how important you are to the post office.
He said Watson has talked to him about how concerned he is that the post office is being scrapped.
I don't think we need to make him an engineer.
I don't know how that works anymore.
At least I'm not so sure.
I'm not sure I might, but he said I just don't know how much you're talking to him about.
I don't know.
I don't like to get back into the government.
I can't.
Yeah, okay.
Okay.
Coming on the VA and all that, yeah.
But he understands for a career that was brokering with the VFW.
They get the second man.
They get the second officer.
I'd like to have a second man.
I know there will be other places.
They may not fly.
Or they may come up with a guy now.
The chocker was over today in the way of some odd stuff.
He made some strong tea and I had some fish.
You know, the ground couldn't cover it better, but I was going to show you.
I'm going to show you.
I'm going to show you.
I'm going to show you.
I'm going to show you.
The top DA officials, Rhodes, Wilson, and Ratajkowicz were not informed, consulted, or admitted on the issue, attempting to find out the bad timing of the pushing for the revocation of the two roads.
What does that say on the 16th of January?
Well, that was correct.
It was a request from the 16th of January, which obligated me to go to the person who had no idea what I was doing.
Well, I thought it was required.
Well, this is the thing where Ratajkowicz, I'm sure, is one of the most important people in the city.
He wants to get to the airport.
I don't get it.
I just can't get a call from anybody.
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
Why does he want a McNamara?
He's been kept on for four years already.
He says he's not a McNamara.
He was in the NASA when they moved him over there and put him in systems analysis.
But he's also a scientist.
And he says he's the best qualified guy for that.
And then what does Packard think he is?
He's an outstanding guy.
And the Air Force...
I didn't pass Millie because I didn't want to get into it.
The RNA is a very important thing, and I know that it's one that he feels strongly about.
Definitely, he feels very strongly, and I don't want to have anything on him.
I didn't even want to race with him if he won't see me down.
I don't know whether Henry can see me.
He may be soft.
That's frankly the problem I have with him.
I don't know.
And that's me with my sword.
And whether he's soft or he's not, that's not important.
What's his name?
Right, right.
He's got to be important.
Right, right.
He's got some other hands, but the top can't be.
Other than that guy, he's going to need one look.
He came in and he said, you've got a much better guy than me.
He's a guy we put on the super inspection.
He's in control for it.
I don't know why.
He's supposedly very close to you.
So, John Patterson.
Yeah, he told her I said it to you.
executive order to continue serving past the age of 70.
The problem is we've got to close down the SACD budget.
There's no funding for it.
We need some money now.
The way to get it is to drop a couple commissioners in order to get the staff to close it out.
Right?
And Patterson is the one that should be dropped.
And he's the one that should be dropped.
And he and the Democrats should be sure that they were concerned.
And Patterson gets 22
I was just saying, just put it in the basement.
It must be somebody that some congressman or senator probably showed you on the side of the status, but again, if they're in pain, it's going to be cracked up.
In this case, they don't mind.
Sure.
Secretary of Commerce, you're asking a question of whether, of course, Jordan Webster
Or taking a guy that looks like what he is.
By far the best candidate is Brian Smith, Texas Instruments.
He's a college candidate.
And Bill, like I said.
I wonder if George Bush or Walt Beck, I don't know, Wilson, is the only one pushing him.
And Wilson.
Okay.
Okay.
The other guys, you know, one of these super tight guys in the county was all excited about Brian Smith, the secretary of Texas history.
And he was a very bright guy.
And I worked all over the world.
They heard his campaign for you in Texas.
Well, that's big.
You know what?
Well, just tell us.
You don't have the difficulty with the Webster.
You've got to test something.
You've got to qualify for it.
That's right.
But what other ones?
I don't think any of them are something else at all.
They're not consulate training.
You're going to take them.
That is qualifying for it.
That's what it is.
You're taking them.
You're just still trying to speak.
Let me go back and back and see.
Well, take Smith and then let him take this guy.
I think Webster actually probably did that good math for a child and all that.
But God, there was actually never any discussion with Chuck about why, you know.
Well, that's one of the ones that Chuck sort of thought, you know, that was a little stalker of him.
Crunch.
Now we've got, well, again, that's not bad, isn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we can take that job.
Because it's part of legislation that's going to parallel the commission recommendations.
They've got to be backed by the chair of the board.
And he can't resolve the issue the other way.
They have what they think is a super candidate for it.
A five-year-old guy who's now head of the federal home loan mortgage corporation.
I don't think so.
Let me find out what her problems are.
That's how the covers that there is, that he's there.
That means sure enough, he has a strong, vigorous bow in there.
Also, he's got a vigorous bow in there.
I like that, right?
This may be a good thing to move up to.
I've heard of seeing things all over.
I've got to say that and offer somebody else that's
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I don't want anybody in the store.
That's the whole point there.
I don't want anybody in the store.
That's the whole point there.
I don't want anybody in the store.
That's the whole point there.
You know, he's got a conflict of interest problem that they develop and say you've got to solve for it.
You know, I think they can work out the conflict.
If they can't, good.
If they can't, the next guy is a guy named Lee Clay.
He's a ram.
He's ideologically aligned with the president.
He's acknowledged as a leading expert in the field of international communications.
does not involve the ADN debate publicly, although it's supported.
But because he wasn't, we may not have a problem with full-riding the concentration camp.
And if you better ditch him, let's not have him.
He's Senator Jackson's first choice for the draft.
You've got to take him.
He's not a strong personality.
But if he wants to not have significant management skills, he may not be able to control it.
It's a pedantic epidemic.
We've come across that in the public debate and testimony.
is concerned with his ability to manage the agency, but says he's acceptable.
And that's what we talked about.
He's too old for it.
He's an executive assistant director, and his good deputy is still there.
Also, a little thing about the White House,
Yeah, but they want some
They want some of the action, too.
We've got to get something.
Oh, I don't know, but we can't just any other way.
It's a big picture of a prize.
That's the best way to end it.
We've got to pull it out of the history of the past.
That's the best way to end it.
That's the best way to end it.
That's the best way to end it.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
Just a lot of that is about to say we have to.
We can't say we can't.
I don't know.
That was one time.
I know.
I kind of feel we need a stronger, less down, able man in Mexico.
I don't know.
I don't know.
You know what I mean?
You'll run around and flash a flash.
And, uh, you'll, uh, get it back with a wire or something like this.
And that's, you know, more of a fun, more of a, uh, good to start with.
You know what I'm saying?
You know what I mean?
Yes, sir.
That's, uh, a lot of that, you know what I'm saying?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
But I think the man would give 18% of the time.
Yeah, sir, sir.
That's not one of the questions here.
Oh, sure, it always is.
If you get a one company investor, you better not get one.
They're great at that.
.
.
.
How are we going to respond to that incidentally?
I think it would be interesting.
What has happened to the Indian girl?
I just can't get a hold of that girl.
I don't know.
That's cool.
That's cool.
What the hell is going on?
Did they ask you to take her?
What all of this did to her?
I just wondered if you have an answer and I might get it.
What about the Bureau of Indian Affairs?
What's happened to that?
What do you say about that?
Okay.
Okay.
The area of any comparison is not in this at all, nor is the White House in it at all.
Their interior is in the policy side, and might be as partial as that of the parents on the scene.
Their justice is in the current thing, in particular the position of the Board of Regents, the laborers, the hostages, the privacy.
I don't know what the hell to talk about.
Anyway, they're on top of it.
On that basis, the Bureau of Indian Affairs is not in there at all.
On the overall basis, the Bureau of Indian Affairs, they are, they are a process of putting back together their purpose and what it's love and, you know, to let it where it has to be.
Okay, I just wondered, so I, I've got to put it back together.
I'll write it, too.
I don't want to post things because, you know, I didn't get a question.
Then, tomorrow's going to hold an atmosphere, not the war atmosphere, but a
Um, how is that the other day?
What?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, you got anything else, Ron?
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
I was down very low in regards to my snoring yesterday.
And now today, I think I've seen that.
But in regards to the water level, most of the time, the answer to that is to say that it doesn't mean that there's no water, but it might not sound like there's water.
The lighting comes up when the coast is short and hard.
I know, I know, but I haven't read it at all.
Yeah, but you can see.
Oh, we can get back to the ground.
All right.
All right.
Yes, sir.
Oh, yeah.
Better to have a little action about that than something else.
No, no.
It doesn't hurt us.
I don't think it helps.
I think people like all of us.
hearing points, and then, like what?
Like, the Georgia government's just going to bring an armband, so the whole thing's simple.
Oh, that, yes.
Then how would that work?
Here, we have a signing agreement, and they still don't know what it's up to.
But also to prove that they know that, why don't we do something?
And they say, well, you can make a concession.
The wise guys don't know how to make a concession.
They're either going to mix the dead in with the accountants, or they're going to stop them on the street.
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What they're trying to do is just to get a little cool with it.
You want to get on site on this and I'll agree.
And I've said, gentlemen, let me repeat, first, no making me, and then I'm always going, I'm working it together.
I've been in touch with all parties, and I'm going to sit with them, and I'm going to sign on.
I said, all parties, you'll do it.
I said, well, we'll share today, right?
So they, of course, I'll let you know.
There you go.
That's absolutely right.
Well, they've asked about violations, and I've simply said, sir, I need to comment on that.
The agreement has put in place the JMC and the international control bodies, and that's where the information should come on that.
We are in contact with the state in terms of all the parties to encourage implementation of the agreement, so that I wouldn't get into a, or we wouldn't get into a comment on just, you know, this whole thing here, and the ceasefire violation here.
Right.
Right.
Right.
It's been indicated as a violation.
It's stated as a violation by the Woodward and .
It's going.
We start commenting on it.
It's a violation.
It elevates the fact that violations are going to happen all the time, all the time.
And Woodward has made a pretty strong statement on this.
I suppose he's mad about it, but he certainly
But, right, he said, these violations, such as the missile, uh, slated to take them, didn't even understand what he was saying.
He said, I just need an option to take an appropriate action.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
And the guy, the agent, came in and said, you know, I'm saying who he is because it's better than him.
Of course, he said, you've been had on this line.
Bob Taylor's been had.
Right in the country at a Secret Service company.
I have a long talk with Taylor.
I've also had a long talk with Duncan.
And Taylor said, I have never dropped out of school, and I shouldn't even know.
But at a point in my career where I couldn't have, I just wanted to say, the situation picked you up.
The guys that were out to get me, they got me.
Now, beyond that, there's a third guy.
It was not only James Taylor that was out to get me.
It was James Neal that was out to get me.
It was James Neal that was out to get me.
He was extremely close to Alan Thomas.
worships and is closely associated with Danny Kennedy.
And if it's sitting down right up here, you know, it's conserved as it were.
It's just waiting for this morning.
Here's the end.
Can't get rid of it.
I didn't think about it.
I'm not sure.
I know he's just kind of a guy.
You see?
And it confirms what I would suspect in this guy.
I told you a couple other things.
For instance, this guy got taken out of a very bad English school.
It's played out with his
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't have the confidence in that morning.
I think he screwed with someone this morning too.
By the way, if I'm just handling it, I'm not intentional.
Yeah, I've never done anything wrong.
I know, but I'm intentional.
But I don't think we're very sure sometimes.
That's just a fun little thing.
Because he talked to these guys.
First, and both of them, Taylor and Duncan both tell me what Ed Martin said, and John says exactly what I said.
Which was clear, and we both felt that this was a good thing.
Then, Rowley told me, and Schroeder, we have to keep growing.
I don't know, so why do we have to keep doing this?
And Bosch said, drop it.
I think we ought to shake him up a little bit.
That's the kind of guy he is.
He's shaking him up.
He's a hell of a guy.
He really came in.
He's only acting director.
That's what he wanted.
He wanted to see the best thing he could do.
He said, I don't think this detail is going to get towards the bottom.
He said, I have an overriding respect for the office of the president.
I'm going to make a call to that office.
So what do you think about it?
Why?
He said, I don't think he's going to get to the bottom of it.
I don't think they should have the kind of haircuts.
I don't think they should wear mustaches.
And I don't think they should.
I said, well, I must say that I agree with you.
Don't let it drag you forth.
He hasn't done it yet.
He already done this before he talked to me.
He said, I've started on this.
I mean, I haven't told him he has to cut off his mustache, but I have told him that they've got to look like presidential men.
I want my people to look just like her people.
I want people to be decent.
That's better for us.
We're protecting races, too.
But we ought to be able to look like her.
We ought to look like her.
But then he went off on his respect for the presidency and the whole thing about how this works.
I didn't care that much.
I didn't mean it.
I don't think there's a strong man.
Nothing really.
Patrick said, you know, we've got a tough problem with the services.
He said, we've got a question we're getting in.
I said, we've got a thing in Salt, Amber, that you have to kiss their ass all the time to get things done.
He said, that's the wrong one about this.
I want to get them to screen quarterbacking.
That's what I've been reading for.
I asked whether or not they're proud of these super services.
Instead of going ahead and kissing their ass and trying to get them to do what they're supposed to do.
I said, of course, they don't bother me at all.
And he said, our agents, our agents on trips, get together with staff people and walk-up people and stuff like that, drink in the bars and all that.
And I don't think it's even a serious thing that you can drink in a bar.
You can drink in a bar on a trip.
And I'm not even sure they should be drinking at all.
But they sure as hell do.
Well, but they've got to be on to me and they've got to.
That's one of the problems with the kind of assassination that you get on the trip.
And I think the boy that's in the water was there.
Yeah.
Now that doesn't make any difference.
He would have been shot in the head.
But the details of the drunkard, how they're hung over, I don't even know.
Anyway, there's a lot of politics in that organization.
More than I realize.
There's a lot of politics in every guy.
Yeah.
You sure as hell is.
And that's the great one being had.
I'm convinced that she was sorry to say that.
Would you mind?
Yeah.
Would you mind?
I don't know what she's talking about.
I've talked to her about it before.
I tell her I'm going to find a gun at the bottom of it and throw it at Bob.
And then tell her about this handgun.
I mean, it's got to be a very helpful gun.
It might be the real worst gun to buy.
I think the others have just been a blitz.
And if you're pretty old, they're very sharp young guns.
They're very able, you know, they're very, you know, they're very, you know,
What the hell do you do?
I'm assistant director in charge of protective services, I think.
Well, we both have a cabin in the back.
I don't see why they couldn't put it in, but assistant director in charge of the other way.
That's what I think.
Yeah.
This guy tells me tonight, I've heard this from other times, that Brown has just killed the search.
I guess I don't know what he's talking about.
I guess the mall started up in 1953.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
When he's out, let's not move him until Jim.
Because when he goes out, his box is not going to go up.
His box isn't going to go up.
Well, that's hard.
We haven't worked with him in my knowledge.
But that's the time, too, when this whole thing will have an end.
That's when the thing will end.
And then he'll have it.
When he goes up, it's got to be transferred to something, right?
That's what we want to move Taylor up to.
Sure.
Sure.
Sure.
Sure.
Sure.
They were not well done, frankly, I didn't know this.
And Taylor fought to, maybe that's how they got that damn photographer down there.
Taylor fought to the nail on various things, where they were trying to hold their own, you know, put human beings and so on, and all this kind of stuff.
They were all out playing cops that day.
They all loved the gaming games.
All the show actors and the assistant directors get out.
And, uh,
This guy that was talking to me said, you've got to evaluate, too, where he may not have accomplished certain things.
And we, well, I think he would.
Yeah, I'm just remembering this bug in the upstairs all the time, too.
Right?
He told me the same thing.
He said, I know all of them.
You're not the one who did it.
I know who did it.
I know who bought it.
Right?
Right.
I don't think that I could have killed yours.
But you think he killed me and finished me off?
Yeah.
But you think he'll have something to do with it?
No, I don't think he had anything to do with Taylor.
I think he took advantage of the Taylor thing to get, to get, to hit you.
He had hit me.
By giving Tom Thomas the story that I had done for him.
Oh.
And that's what this guy thinks of.
He's very close to Tom Thomas.
I know.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
I think, I think he's the one that we didn't get out of here for a while and sent down to, uh, and we got some, you know, got some submitted forms and went into a promotion and got back up here.
I think he's probably been up to get me ever since because he's been here as I've been with him for a couple of years.
I think they did it to shake it all up and show, rather than now, but that's our plan now.
So I don't just live with the market.
Let the market make their recommendations.
Let's get a plan.
We talked to our guy, the guy who crushed them over here and done it.
And Taylor talked to them and said, I don't know if she was right.
And let's pick the best man.
Do you think this is the photo that came out of the shape of these photos of her?
I had noticed, frankly, that I lied.
One of the best guys, huh?
I've seen some of the guys a long time.
Like, for example, that great guy, you know, with the shirt line.
But he scared the thought out of me that he probably shouldn't have looked that way.
He doesn't look like one of our people at all.
That's right.
They've got to follow our style.
A hell of a lot of them wear suspensions, but I don't think about that.
I don't think of them as suspensions.
But they don't compliment that.
They look incredible.
They look well.
But I think that they look sort of shamed.
That's what I think.
And sloppy.
They're right about the purity.
They need to wear hats.
They need to wear hats.
They're weak down when they're heavy.
That's right.
Well, I certainly think they're only going to have a sister.
I don't.
I just think it should.
I can't figure it out.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
the meaning itself, so that the building stops.
Well, the main thing changed at the top, but it's not going to hurt me.
People are coming up to him and protecting the services or something.
I don't know.
I don't know what they're doing.
I don't know what their structure is.
I don't know what they're doing.
I don't know what they're doing.
The rally goes by 20 to the box.
The box is not that far from it.
Just around there, they're playing politics, huh?
They're playing politics.
Morality can go any way, but he retires him, Joe.
That's it.
He goes.
One day after.
My kid is very hard right here in Florida.
My children too.
They're going to get a man in here.
And I think they're going to send him to the government.
So, yeah, there's a march going to disappear in three months.
It's running out of time.
It's going to take three months.
It's going to take three months to get it planned.
Might as well.
Might as well send him to the government.
Sure.
on the basis of the, I'm talking to my friend.
He said, yeah, I think so.
He said, well, it's true.
I gave him a credit and said, Johnson did the same thing.
He said, well, don't worry about that.
I said, well, but Johnson may have got a channel.
He did on the 10th Colonel and the 10th Colonel.
He said, yeah, but two weeks.
Now, I could have ran into the guy, but he was running all around.
He had a different situation.
He was in a different
I think that was a mistake.
It was too hot.
Don't crush it, which I'm not doing out here.
I promise you guys, that doesn't look like we're having your signal in here.
You're going to just have to get around here.
That's right.
You're going to be able to get around here.
You're going to be able to get around here.
You're going to be able to get around here.
You're going to be able to get around here.
You're going to be able to get around here.
You're going to be able to get around here.
You're going to be able to get around here.
We don't have an airport.
Thank you.
Where is he?
Where is he?
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Bye.