Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 416-035
Date: Thursday, March 15, 1973 at 10:39 AM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.
Recording device: Old Executive Office Building
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/416-035

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[0:04] President, when you mentioned Texas and Holbrook, you might have been saying there are two of the senior men of China.
[0:26] Two of them.
[0:28] And you might say both of them have been on every trip to China.
[0:35] said today that he had a series of contacts with you as a doctor and that the chance of sort of joining the National Police was not bad.
[0:57] I've instructed Schultz that you told me to take the position that
[1:04] to European countries, like, whatever that is currently, which means, in history, that we should not intervene.
[1:13] I think that's too much on the floor.
[1:16] Put it on the floor.
[1:18] Put it on the floor.
[1:19] That is very competent in the least amount of national order.
[1:28] Now, there's supposed to be two Americans who were on the...
[1:32] mission that led to Dane's capture and the Chinese had announced that Dane was never killed.
[1:43] I had to ask about that.
[1:48] Do you care to say if you're approaching the Chinese?
[2:06] I just got a little bit out of there.
[2:15] I forget who it is.
[2:16] Yeah.
[2:16] I had to say this last time about some careful assurances that we've got a lot of people that are, you know, in some good countries.
[2:25] We've got a lot of people that are, you know, in some good countries.
[2:27] We've got a lot of people that are, you know, in some good countries.
[2:29] We've got a lot of people that are, you know, in some good countries.
[2:30] We've got a lot of people that are, you know, in some good countries.
[2:33] We've got a lot of people that are, you know, in some good countries.
[2:35] The others are doing so well that it's just almost like a script.
[2:48] But it's better every night to see what you do.
[2:55] But I think you have to know that that's going to be the same thing.
[3:06] He had volunteered to stay behind and he could have slept with the first time around.
[3:16] Now, I've checked the reports that the groups that went out there to pick up these prisoners were this time much less well treated.
[3:30] I don't know if you can remember that.
[3:32] And I'm just like, I'm a prisoner.
[3:33] I don't know about anything else.
[3:35] It may have a number of differences, too.
[3:48] I don't know.
[3:49] I think we're going to start to think about that.
[3:53] We still want to kill them.
[3:55] I think we've set up a very tough note yesterday and last night.
[3:58] If we don't get an answer by that time, I think we're going to hold it in track, which is what I think we're going to do.
[4:04] I think it's necessary to
[4:05] We won't have any measures that we can expect.
[4:17] That's what I have to tell you.
[4:24] I have no evidence.
[4:25] I have no evidence.
[4:26] I have no evidence.
[4:31] I have no evidence.
[4:38] Never, never was.
[4:50] Oh, I don't think.
[4:56] I don't think they are.
[5:03] I mean, they have to be more spiritual and diabolical than anybody who's ever dealt with it.
[5:22] If they hang for any other reason, they spend all that time on me.
[5:24] And what do I do?
[5:24] Huh?
[5:24] Do you not know it?
[5:25] And they spend all that time on me.
[5:26] And I think it would be great if you'd want to relate it to my life over here.
[5:28] And why?
[5:28] Maybe that's exactly the way they are.
[5:30] Good, Mr. Bixby.
[5:30] Speaking of the truth.
[5:33] They could look at things from our side or do things with us.
[5:37] For example, the couriers that are leaving, they left.
[5:41] We have not left all their equipment behind.
[5:44] We say that that is legal, but because we transferred, how do you look?
[5:49] Before January 27th, I mean, I don't even know if they put any equipment in there.
[5:57] You know, what I'm getting at is the question is whether or not they, you know, how does that work?
[6:04] I still think it's a strain on their body.
[6:06] I think they have to live with it next week.
[6:09] Just to show them that they can live.
[6:15] I think there'll be a plan for a few more days, but I don't think it's time to do much of that.
[6:25] Oh, we've talked to the doctors already.
[6:29] I don't think that's going to be able to hold on.
[6:30] I think we're going to have to wait.
[6:32] Harry Bird and Cliff Daniel there.
[6:35] And I really let him have it on MFN.
[6:38] And when I left, he said, just don't drop it too much.
[6:46] We may be able to make a deal on that.
[6:50] But today, they have met.
[6:56] They have voted the Democratic caucus on the math field.
[6:58] Sure.
[6:58] Those Democrats, I'm not going to be able to do that.
[7:00] .
[7:03] .
[7:04] .
[7:30] But he sent a message for us at 11.30 today.
[7:45] It will be too late for your news conference at this time.
[7:50] I think he will be here in four months.
[7:52] Yeah.
[7:52] For the news conference.
[7:57] I'm very much sure.
[8:01] I think we're pleading with .
[8:06] I don't think that he agreed to .
[8:09] No, not only did he, but I think what had happened .
[8:19] I have read that he did not get out of jail, and just the way that .
[8:26] I think we're going to get something out of pressing a bunch of tools, which we can't actually use.
[8:46] Good effect, but I don't actually think we're going to get something out of pressing a bunch of tools.
[8:54] We're not going to get something out of pressing a bunch of tools.
[8:56] Yeah.
[8:57] Yeah.
[9:01] Yeah.
[9:02] Yeah.
[9:17] Yeah.
[9:21] Yeah.
[9:25] Yeah.
[9:25] Yeah.
[9:26] He wants to come over on May 1st rather than May 8th.
[9:44] I'd like to talk to you for 15 minutes just to finish on that nuclear treaty, because I've had to work with old Sabrina about it, no sense about it.
[9:55] No sense about it.
[9:56] Oh, I got the, uh, I sent back two letters.
[9:59] I sent them.
[10:01] I saw them.
[10:01] I bet it's something.
[10:04] I tried to get a little bit.
[10:07] I saw it.
[10:09] I thought it was better.
[10:13] They like that.
[10:22] I'll get it.
[10:24] I can't believe.
[10:25] to jeopardize its relation with us.
[10:33] That's one thing that I understand.
[10:57] Okay.
[13:00] At the point I had had a talk with one of the guys about that, he said that she was relatively restrained.
[13:16] In fact, he was totally restrained when he came in.
[13:21] Well, if he would have gone home, it would have been more obvious.
[13:25] You see, good relations are alive.
[13:29] They won't even talk about that.