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Nixon & Dean on Political strategy and Data analysis

Wednesday, March 14, 1973 · 8:55 AM–8:59 AM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 4 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Dean, John W., IIIConversation419-015 on Tape 419StartWednesday, March 14, 1973 at 8:55 AMEndWednesday, March 14, 1973 at 8:59 AMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 419-015 ↗

President Nixon and John Dean confer briefly to discuss a strategy regarding the gathering and dissemination of statistical data related to political tactics and Republican Party messaging. Nixon instructs Dean to independently evaluate the provided information and determine the best course of action, expressing his desire to remain removed from the granular details of the process. The conversation concludes with Nixon delegating the responsibility of synthesizing these views and procedural steps to Dean.

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Hello.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hello.
Uh, I thought that before you, uh, before, uh, slavery went out.
Yeah.
so that he can make use of that line.
We've had a chance to go to 50 from the top of his last line, but we haven't had a chance to go over it.
A lot of stats, and it's about, uh, a lot of, you know, just, uh, disincentivization, uh, which, uh, did all Republicans, uh, you know, join this as a matter of tactics or whatever the situation was, or did they, uh, refuse to, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, if you've got anybody who would say, look, let's find a procedure where you could go ahead and step up to that.
Sure.
Oh, hell, you aren't going to look.
You aren't going.
rather than rather than staff will provide such information in ways that
Thank you.
Yeah, I mean, it probably won't work, but nevertheless, and that's where I do believe a couple of the other folks.
They might come back and say, well, you just want to have a response, or you just want to make a strong response.
I wouldn't want to even touch you back.
You're with us up there.
Okay, after you have a chance to clarify to the others and so forth.
I don't want to talk to you about it.
The difficulty here is that I don't want to get involved in any of that because they're both parties and actors.
You're not.
Well, it's quite true.
And I think the best thing is for you to figure it out.
I should agree.
And you've got the views of the others.
You've got all their views as to what they are.
Thank you.

On March 14, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and John W. Dean, III met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 8:55 am to 8:59 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 419-015 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 419-15

Date: March 14, 1973
Time: 8:55 am - 8:59 am
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with John W. Dean, III.

[See Conversation No. 37-99]
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Conversation 419-015, March 14, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/419-015 (accessed October 5, 2026).