{"conversationCode":"421-020","tapeNumber":421,"conversationNumber":20,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-421-020","startDateTime":"1973-03-28T13:35:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-28T13:40:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Mar-1973","startTime":"8:35 AM","endDate":"28-Mar-1973","endTime":"8:40 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On March 28, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 8:35 am and 8:40 am. 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Kissinger\n                          -Indira Gandhi\n             -Roger Shields\n                    -POW return\n             -Nguyen Van Thieu’s visit\n                    -Gift\n             -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman\n\n       Telegram\n            -Trip to South Africa\n\n       White House interior changes [?]\n            -Bull’s meeting\n            -Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n\f                                               -16-\n\n                        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                            Conversation No. 421-20 (cont’d)\n\n[Pause]\n\n          Request\n\n[Pause]\n\n          Instruction\n\nBull left before 8:40 am.","filename":["421-020.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"421-019","nextCode":"421-021","transcript":[{"start":11.49,"end":16.53,"text":"We raised it Friday."},{"start":16.55,"end":16.99,"text":"We have to address it."},{"start":42.99,"end":51.6,"text":"Community Ambassador, Ambassador Deshaun."},{"start":54.15,"end":54.79,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":54.81,"end":55.63,"text":"J-H-A-N. Yeah."},{"start":55.65,"end":55.71,"text":"No."},{"start":55.73,"end":58.49,"text":"He wants to come in and say goodbye."},{"start":58.51,"end":62.23,"text":"Kissing your heels would be appropriate."},{"start":62.25,"end":66.16,"text":"You see, on this departure call, you have to be in good relations with the Indians."},{"start":66.18,"end":66.9,"text":"This has got to be a... Oh, you are?"},{"start":66.92,"end":67.54,"text":"You've got time on Friday?"},{"start":67.68,"end":68.64,"text":"It's going to be tight on Friday if we do..."},{"start":68.66,"end":69.08,"text":"I have no time today."},{"start":69.1,"end":69.66,"text":"Yeah, we'll do it on Friday."},{"start":69.68,"end":69.88,"text":"All right."},{"start":75.92,"end":97.08,"text":"We're leaving time open for you to see Dr. Shields on Friday."},{"start":97.1,"end":97.94,"text":"He's the man in charge of this POW return."},{"start":97.96,"end":98.46,"text":"No, that isn't necessary."},{"start":98.48,"end":99.52,"text":"No, no, that should be just a bunch of months later."},{"start":99.54,"end":99.7,"text":"I can't."},{"start":99.72,"end":100.14,"text":"That is the last one."},{"start":100.16,"end":100.46,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":100.48,"end":101.14,"text":"Are you concerned that the, uh..."},{"start":101.17,"end":101.64,"text":"Yes, the president, too."},{"start":101.67,"end":102.95,"text":"You're going to need your president to set us a life in writing."},{"start":102.97,"end":104.13,"text":"Our president's going to be really supposed to be awesome."},{"start":104.15,"end":105.47,"text":"This is too big of a thing to be buried in a portrait or, uh..."},{"start":106.63,"end":107.38,"text":"Enjoy the gift."},{"start":210.88,"end":213.37,"text":"I've already sent them in preemptive fire."},{"start":241.22,"end":260.77,"text":"Okay, I'll take care of it."},{"start":260.79,"end":261.07,"text":"How'd that go?"},{"start":261.09,"end":262.31,"text":"They agreed to the ."},{"start":262.33,"end":262.69,"text":"Well, that's good."},{"start":262.71,"end":265.74,"text":"We kind of gave up."},{"start":265.75,"end":267.84,"text":"We got a little close communication there, though."},{"start":267.86,"end":269.04,"text":"You know, the problem would rise."},{"start":269.06,"end":269.42,"text":"Maybe we let them."},{"start":269.44,"end":270.22,"text":"That's the main problem, is to be sure."},{"start":281.86,"end":287.37,"text":"Yeah, I had to come back down."},{"start":287.39,"end":288.3,"text":"Basically, I never even got a chance to turn."},{"start":288.32,"end":288.86,"text":"I got a message from Julie."},{"start":288.88,"end":289.22,"text":"She's a reporter."},{"start":289.24,"end":289.42,"text":"Yes, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with his aide Stephen B. Bull to coordinate his upcoming schedule and manage various diplomatic and administrative priorities. The discussion covered arrangements for meetings with the Indian ambassador, scheduling a briefing with Roger Shields regarding the return of prisoners of war, and preparations for Nguyen Van Thieu’s visit. 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