{"conversationCode":"424-013","tapeNumber":424,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-424-013","startDateTime":"1973-03-28T00:10:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-28T01:56:00.000Z","startDate":"27-Mar-1973","startTime":"7:10 PM","endDate":"27-Mar-1973","endTime":"8:56 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On March 27, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 7:10 pm and 8:56 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 424-013 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 424-13\n\f                                             -15-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 424-32 (cont’d)\n\nDate: March 27, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 7:10 pm and 8:56 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President dictated a memorandum for the file.\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift during\nchronological review 2007-2013]\n\n       Watergate\n            -President’s meeting with H. R. “Bob” Haldeman\n                  -Charles W. Colson\n                        -Opposition to independent commission\n                  -Special prosecutor\n                  -White House staff\n                  -Colson’s involvement\n                  -Ronald L. Ziegler’s statement on grand jury cooperation\n                        -Testimony\n                  -Independent commission\n                        -William P. Rogers’s reaction\n            -Ervin Committee [?]\n                  -Subject of investigation\n            -Lowell P. Weicker, Jr.\n                  -Donald H. Segretti\n                  -Campaign contributions [?]\n            -President’s statement\n                  -Appearance\n\n*****************************************************************","filename":["424-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)"],"prevCode":"424-012","nextCode":"424-014","transcript":[{"start":0.2,"end":16.3,"text":"Whether I recorded this or not, I can't recall, but it's now 9 o'clock, and I'm going to be recording for the day."},{"start":27.82,"end":45.84,"text":"And, uh, I'm trying to get away from the hotbed."},{"start":45.85,"end":48.22,"text":"The response I see is, uh, it's up to the fire department to, uh, follow the, uh, posture of some of these operations."},{"start":48.24,"end":49.32,"text":"So far, uh, it's going to be with the fire department."},{"start":49.34,"end":50.1,"text":"The vulnerability of those operations."},{"start":53.47,"end":72.17,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":81.77,"end":107.39,"text":"uh uh"},{"start":112.18,"end":136.58,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":136.6,"end":136.81,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":136.82,"end":137.03,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":141.21,"end":165.34,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":179.77,"end":187.9,"text":"I don't know if I should be sitting right here."},{"start":187.92,"end":188.87,"text":"I don't know if I should be sitting right here."},{"start":226.48,"end":232.22,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon dictates a memorandum for the file to document his internal deliberations regarding the escalating Watergate scandal. The recording reflects his concerns over the potential appointment of a special prosecutor, the creation of an independent commission, and the ongoing investigation into White House staff involvement, including Charles Colson. The President further considers the political fallout of potential testimony and the strategic response to the Ervin Committee's inquiries into campaign activities.","topics":["Watergate","Special Prosecutor","White House Staff","Ervin Committee","Charles W. 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