{"conversationCode":"425-002","tapeNumber":425,"conversationNumber":2,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-425-002","startDateTime":"1973-03-28T16:09:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-28T17:28:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Mar-1973","startTime":"11:09 AM","endDate":"28-Mar-1973","endTime":"12:28 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.;","description":"On March 28, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 11:09 am and 12:28 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 425-002 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 425-2\n\nDate: March 28, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 11:09 am and 12:28 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with John D. Ehrlichman.\n\n       Briefing on budget\n             -Spending ceiling\n                   -Public reaction\n             -Budget situation\n\n       Wounded Knee incident\n\n[End of telephone conversation]","filename":["425-002.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ehrlichman, John D."],"prevCode":"425-001","nextCode":"425-003","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":17.04,"text":"John, I wondered about getting some ideas on what's going on with that crisis."},{"start":17.06,"end":18.55,"text":"And I think you know that things go on there for very long period of time."},{"start":21.12,"end":31.71,"text":"That's all I can say."},{"start":32.04,"end":53.49,"text":"That would be fine."},{"start":53.51,"end":54.11,"text":"You see what I'm trying to do?"},{"start":54.13,"end":54.89,"text":"I want to learn as simply as possible."},{"start":54.91,"end":55.61,"text":"What I want to do is make the case."},{"start":55.63,"end":56.21,"text":"I don't want to go into this."},{"start":56.23,"end":56.89,"text":"I don't want this story to arise."},{"start":56.91,"end":57.39,"text":"I think I would need it."},{"start":57.37,"end":85.2,"text":"I've got the ."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and John Ehrlichman met to discuss the administration's budgetary strategy and the escalating Wounded Knee standoff. The President sought to refine a simplified public messaging strategy regarding spending ceilings and the broader fiscal situation. Furthermore, Nixon expressed concern over the longevity of the occupation at Wounded Knee and directed Ehrlichman to formulate a clear communication approach to manage public perception of the crisis.","topics":["Federal Budget","Spending Ceiling","Wounded Knee Occupation","Public Relations","Crisis Management"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T19:21:01.770Z"},"topicSlugs":["federal-budget","spending-ceiling","wounded-knee-occupation","public-relations","crisis-management"],"audioDurationSec":95,"audioFiles":[{"file":"425-002.mp3","bytes":548864,"durationSec":94.55,"bitrate":46441,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:47.376Z","transcriptGapSeconds":66,"transcriptGapShare":0.7,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/425-002.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/425-002","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/425/conversation-425-002","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}