{"conversationCode":"425-048","tapeNumber":425,"conversationNumber":48,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-425-048","startDateTime":"1973-04-10T01:21:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-10T01:23:00.000Z","startDate":"9-Apr-1973","startTime":"8:21 PM","endDate":"9-Apr-1973","endTime":"8:23 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.;","description":"On April 9, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 8:21 pm to 8:23 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 425-048 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":"Abuse of Governmental Power Release","aogpSegment":"Segment 0","lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 425-48\n\nDate: April 9, 1973\nTime: 8:21 pm - 8:23 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\f                                            -45-\n\n                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\nThe President talked with John D. Ehrlichman.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 44-117]","filename":["425-048.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ehrlichman, John D."],"prevCode":"425-047","nextCode":"425-049","transcript":[{"start":0.2,"end":21.7,"text":"down."},{"start":21.72,"end":23.95,"text":"I think that with GARNA, we would stretch out the entire line, and we wouldn't get one team to all three lines."},{"start":23.96,"end":26.01,"text":"Otherwise, John would have destroyed himself and the White House would have killed him and everything."},{"start":26.03,"end":26.61,"text":"We've got to hold them tight."},{"start":26.63,"end":27.41,"text":"And so I think we should hold one team."},{"start":27.43,"end":28.09,"text":"And we've got to hold them tight."},{"start":28.11,"end":29.21,"text":"And we've seen what the governor has been trying to do."},{"start":29.23,"end":30.07,"text":"And it might be a little bit smart to say,"},{"start":32.53,"end":57.3,"text":"Where did we go wrong?"},{"start":57.32,"end":57.68,"text":"That's the people."},{"start":57.7,"end":58.06,"text":"That's the people."},{"start":58.08,"end":58.44,"text":"That's the people."},{"start":58.46,"end":58.82,"text":"That's the people."},{"start":58.84,"end":59.2,"text":"That's the people."},{"start":59.22,"end":59.58,"text":"That's the people."},{"start":59.6,"end":59.97,"text":"That's the people."},{"start":59.98,"end":60.34,"text":"That's the people."},{"start":61.2,"end":70.77,"text":"There's nothing for me to do tomorrow."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and John Ehrlichman briefly discuss strategy regarding legal or political exposure, emphasizing the need to maintain a disciplined defense to avoid self-destruction. The conversation centers on organizational control and the necessity of keeping their legal or public relations teams unified to withstand pressure. Nixon stresses the importance of holding their position firmly in the face of ongoing external scrutiny.","topics":["Watergate","Legal Strategy","Political Defense","White House Staff","Crisis Management"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T19:25:38.457Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate","legal-strategy","political-defense","white-house-staff","crisis-management"],"audioDurationSec":76,"audioFiles":[{"file":"425-048.mp3","bytes":434176,"durationSec":75.56,"bitrate":45968,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:47.376Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:38.169Z","transcriptGapSeconds":46,"transcriptGapShare":0.61,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/425-048.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/425-048","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/425/conversation-425-048","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}