{"conversationCode":"428-009","tapeNumber":428,"conversationNumber":9,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-428-009","startDateTime":"1973-04-12T19:23:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-12T19:23:00.000Z","startDate":"12-Apr-1973","startTime":"2:23 PM","endDate":"12-Apr-1973","endTime":"2:23 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On April 12, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at 2:23 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 428-009 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 428-9\n\nDate: April 12, 1973\nTime: 2:23 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 44-155]\n\f                                                        -5-\n\n                       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                                           Conversation No. 428-10 (cont’d)","filename":["428-009.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"428-008","nextCode":"428-010","transcript":[{"start":0.34,"end":16.55,"text":"So, Ron, I have spoken to Bob about the possibility to remark to the president."},{"start":16.57,"end":21.99,"text":"I think it's going to be so rather uncertain about the time and everything that I'm taking the project through."},{"start":22.01,"end":26.8,"text":"And I've told him that it can't be done."},{"start":26.82,"end":28.9,"text":"Well, let's keep it running."},{"start":28.92,"end":29.26,"text":"Shall we do that?"},{"start":29.28,"end":29.38,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":30.78,"end":33.42,"text":"I'm not sure."},{"start":33.44,"end":37.65,"text":"You never know what they're going to say or how long they've talked."},{"start":38.29,"end":54.42,"text":"I think it's freer and easier for me too if I don't worry about it too."},{"start":54.44,"end":54.54,"text":"Yeah."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler discuss the logistics and unpredictability surrounding a potential press briefing or public statement involving Bob Haldeman. The two men weigh the risks of committing to a specific schedule given the fluid nature of the situation. Ultimately, they decide to maintain a flexible approach to avoid unnecessary pressure or formal constraints on the President’s messaging.","topics":["Haldeman","Press Relations","White House Communications","Public Statements","Scheduling"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T19:33:53.968Z"},"topicSlugs":["haldeman","press-relations","white-house-communications","public-statements","scheduling"],"audioDurationSec":61,"audioFiles":[{"file":"428-009.mp3","bytes":1947648,"durationSec":60.72,"bitrate":256607,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.104Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:38.744Z","transcriptGapSeconds":32,"transcriptGapShare":0.53,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/428-009.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/428-009","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/428/conversation-428-009","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}