{"conversationCode":"429-004","tapeNumber":429,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-429-004","startDateTime":"1973-04-19T18:39:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-19T18:41:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Apr-1973","startTime":"1:39 PM","endDate":"19-Apr-1973","endTime":"1:41 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On April 19, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:39 pm to 1:41 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 429-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 429-004\n\nDate: April 19, 1973\nTime: 1:39 pm - 1:41 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 038-109]","filename":["429-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"429-003","nextCode":"429-005","transcript":[{"start":0.22,"end":0.58,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.84,"end":3.98,"text":"Hi, Rob."},{"start":4.04,"end":7.04,"text":"You're going to Florida, aren't you?"},{"start":8.17,"end":10.27,"text":"Good."},{"start":10.29,"end":16.3,"text":"We're going to leave at 12.30 tomorrow."},{"start":16.32,"end":16.92,"text":"Tell the boys."},{"start":16.94,"end":17.9,"text":"Did you survive the day?"},{"start":17.92,"end":18.78,"text":"I'll tell you, I used to do a little later."},{"start":18.8,"end":19.56,"text":"I was just playing a little lunch now."},{"start":19.58,"end":22.98,"text":"But did you, did you, right?"},{"start":24.13,"end":25.35,"text":"Did you make the point no scapegoat?"},{"start":36.58,"end":58.73,"text":"Again, I think you should say, the President does know that I do not believe in the reports inside the Grand Jury."},{"start":58.76,"end":61.72,"text":"And if I refuse to take them, the reports shouldn't be given to me."},{"start":61.74,"end":61.9,"text":"Oh, sir."},{"start":61.92,"end":62.36,"text":"They're interrogatory."},{"start":62.38,"end":63.22,"text":"They conduct very extensive interrogatory."},{"start":63.24,"end":64.78,"text":"But the President specifically does not receive reports from the Grand Jury."},{"start":64.8,"end":65.42,"text":"You've got to clear that up."},{"start":65.69,"end":68.98,"text":"Call Peterson and tell him that we're going to say that."},{"start":69,"end":69.22,"text":"Yeah, bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler coordinate the administration's public messaging regarding the Watergate investigation. Nixon instructs Ziegler to emphasize that the President does not receive reports from the Grand Jury to combat rumors of scapegoating and leaks. He directs Ziegler to contact Assistant Attorney General Henry Petersen to confirm this official stance.","topics":["Watergate","Grand Jury","Henry Petersen","Public Relations","White House Press Office"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T19:36:59.210Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate","grand-jury","henry-petersen","public-relations","white-house-press-office"],"audioDurationSec":76,"audioFiles":[{"file":"429-004.mp3","bytes":2443264,"durationSec":76.25,"bitrate":256331,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.104Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:38.924Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/429-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/429-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/429/conversation-429-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}