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Uh, good.

I mean, just coming out of the shower bath, I got kind of woolly.

Figured I'd go just to get wet.

They're there right now.

They have an appointment with Glanzer and Silver.

I thought they were useful to the company more.

Oh, good.

So, let's see what the hell he recalls.

Yeah, he's good.

Because I haven't talked to them in a while.

Do you see a paper here?

Let's take a look at that.

I haven't really talked to them.

Well, I think it's important to tell us if they've been calling, right, so forth.

But I don't think he called.

He didn't call.

It's a customer meeting.

I don't think he would have called us better.

I think it's a recollection.

He said, he said, by the way, they've been trying to save money at the church.

I told him, let's see what you're going to do next time.

Mr. Bob or John says, we have a rule, the rule goes around and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,

But, I mean, I just, I just literally don't with the fact I'm dead.

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Yeah, that's important.

That's important.

Does he talk at all about the purpose of that meeting?

Because I think that's also important.

Oh, yeah, he does.

He did it for two days.

He talked about the hearings, the programming of the hearings.

It's a privilege.

I'm getting a statement.

Oh, thank you.

In other words, oh, yes, he remembered it all.

So this was only the

three sentences, three sentences out of two days.

This is one, this is one side.

And I read it, did I read it?

And I said, now what the hell is the game?

What could we talk about?

And I said, well, maybe this is what I should do.

And personally, I spoke to people who also had this experience and were talking about this and that, and that was part of what came to do with it.

And it all occurred to me.

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Right, right.

Question about that.

What cost .

The cost is just, that's that rainy weekend in February.

This year, February the .

So they have a sense to me, yeah, as a matter of fact.

Now I, now Dean, uh, the other thing is that, uh, Maury, I'd like to tell you something about this, uh, this, uh, this, uh, this conversation.

He says that Dean told him, uh, how to use money before he gets sentenced.

So he told Dean, look, there's a black man.

So that's how that came out.

So what Dean came out to see, Dean had raised this subject.

We were reading through the deceitful mind of an old black man who deceived my wife.

We were reaching for Bob's office, you know.

I guess she wanted his office.

And Bob, Dean, and Mitchell, right?

And Bob's office, where they said, you know, Dean asked, what about that money?

I'll make you one.

He was hitting him all over his office floor, almost in a sigh, you know.

Dean said to Mitchell, what about that other matter?

And Mitchell said, just take care of it, you know.

All right, so I have a problem.

So what happened here on that is indeed, I've got a client here.

Call Michael and tell him.

Give it that one.

Dean's whole thing, of course, we've got to order the footage.

Yes, that's the whole thing.

Because the only thing we've got to do, okay, is close that group.

And if it comes to us,

If I could suggest a point of view on La Costa, it is that our inability

to do what you asked us to do at Lacoste, which was to draft a public statement that could be put out in the Senate.

Led in quick succession to your long talks.

Because he even reported back to you that it was a fruitless weekend.

That's right.

And it was a fruitless weekend.

Dean kept saying, you can't say that, you can't say that, and so forth.

That led to your talks with Dean, and that led to Dean going to Camp David.

And then that eventually led to cracking.

So it all started in the fact that the four of us could not put together...

But even this, let me say that this conversation about this money and so forth, you've got to point out that this was it, that one of the things that led us to conclude that we had to move off this, to be working on this.

There isn't any question, I suppose, that in the way the whole thing is presented, you are possibly .

At least certain knowledge of that.

In Bob's case, it's the case of the $350 participation in the $350 .

You got to be sorry about that, Bob.

Well, we felt that if you're agreeable, the best way to do this would be for them to go over there, talk to the prosecutors, come back, report to us.

And then, if you are available, for you to talk to Mr. Wilson confidentially alone.

He very much has your interest in part.

And he's trying to approach this from your standpoint, rather than from ours, really, when you see that.

So Bob and I agree, privately, that that would be a very desirable thing from your standpoint to have his counsel.

In other words, he'd give you a good...

He has 40 years of experience in this business.

He's for us.

He's totally for us.

Just totally.

In fact, absolutely for us.

And so, rather than to have the two of us screen what he thinks... Let me tell you this.

When is he going to see this?

He's there right now.

He expects to be here by 6 o'clock.

Will he see you tonight?

Yes, sir.

He'll come back and see you tonight.

He'll get back in the boat.

He'll come back and he'll be available.

You wouldn't know what to do.

The younger of the two is a very steady crowd with a lot of experience.

They're both talking to these people.

Yes, sir.

They're both helping.

You get back, and I hope you've discussed this, and I will discuss it with you.

You can get back with Dean, if you can.

There's some more, too.

I know it sounds unbelievable, but I'm just wondering about this.

You were telling me about that.

They don't believe me.

They say it's a dream world, but that just can't be my own dream.

But, no, dude.

I don't hear their view, if it's appropriate.

Their rule, they think that he has every incentive to, and that there's no way to remove that incentive.

That's their view.

So if he goes to jail, he's got a little less incentive to get pregnant.

I think that would be the argument.

Unless they turn something different down there.

Now they say that they know Blacks extremely well.

They know Silver well.

And they know their boss.

And we're going to find out.

So they'll find out, I think, quite a lot.

In Peter's sense, education, of course,

Now, they do not have a high pay income, professionally.

That's what I have.

If he's having a kid, I'm glad you're sober.

So, send that to the outbox, please.

You know, I don't have, but I meant it.

You've got to remember that Peterson, if this reflects the U.S. attorney, came in with Mikey's, so the, you know, came on with the resignation to get him out.

And he was there, he was the one that joined.

We're not going to be panicked by any of that.

Three.

That's right.

Six, you're going to talk to him in person.

If that was the case, yes.

We're going to be there at 4.30, so it's an hour.

All right.

Possibly you are right, perhaps.

I don't know.

All right.

They'll probably want to go on back to their office when they haven't soaked up all day today here.

But I'll arrange for them to come back and see it privately.

You had told them about the lacoste.

Did you recall that there was a bad thing with money that had come up in the lacoste at all?

I hadn't.

That's a new element.

I hadn't touched on it.

No, what I told them was that at various times and intervals, it's a matter of I didn't have a present recollection.

I still, you know, I don't have a recollection.

This subject came up in Dean's conversation, and he would ask me for advice, he would ask me what to do, and it almost did very well.

I had no response for him.

I just, I was helpless in that situation.

The one time that I did respond was when he specifically asked me if they could use a compound.

And that's the only time.

I've never been able to, other than the Bittman thing where I said, hell no.

I've just never been able to help him.

And so it doesn't surprise me if I said, you know, get somebody else to help me.

Yeah, yeah.

Why doesn't the room help you?

It's the witness.

Or Rockefeller, or Mitchell, or, that doesn't, you know, that doesn't, not flusting.

I would, I would brown, of course, because we don't want mortars.

John was getting increasingly desperate as time went on.

Yeah, trying to keep the living.

Trying to keep the living.

And I never couldn't help it.

What did I say about that again?

No, he said about that being obstructing.

So that is not his opinion.

That's right.

He said that these circumstances will be difficult to explain.

There's no question about that.

But he said a great deal rests upon whether Bob intended, believed,

desire, or desire, that the funds be used for a specific purpose.

When he sat back over there.

Well, I'm speaking out on the moment of the conversation.

Oh, they just thought that was silly.

I went through his whole business, the deep sex, and the guy leaving the country, and the hot dog episode, and all that.

And they said, well, when do we get to the crimes?

And I said, you deserve them.

I said, well, it's over there.

It's ridiculous.

They don't consider that as being part of the conspiracy.

They do not.

Why not?

They didn't do anything.

But they didn't do anything.

And they said, well, why was Tom Bock subservient to you?

And I explained that.

And they just didn't have any trouble with it.

Now, they may get a earful over there that says it's the prosecutor's job.

Sure.

And so they may have something to do when they get back.

I have suspected all along that

We were being alone, as far as I'm concerned.

And the dean had unloaded a good deal more than that.

And so I'm going to be interested to see when they come back with that.

This group of herders got all over the place.

I'm sure it wasn't unintentional because when I asked him if anybody in the White House had been involved, and you talked to him after you'd already talked to him.

That's correct.

But he said he was telling me everything that I told you.

He said that he could not in any way implicate Bob.

That strong, yes.

Dean, yes.

The first testimony is that he sent budgets to Strawn and showed that the thing was going to be done.

And then he sent Strawn the synopses.

And Strawn denies the budget and admits the synopses.

And matter of fact, approved that he goes to Mars, they sent the synopses.

He just says, I told you that they were available.

You can come see them.

He steadfastly maintains through all of that that he has no evidence at all that's on him.

We'll know a little more after we have talked to him.

I mean, we're at a situation where that is just going to be too difficult to deal with.

Don't let me reach it on you.

I won't reach it until I...

I'm not going to read it to anybody else.

I'm trying to reason this out from the standpoint of your world view.

And it seems to me I have to go back to my Siamese twin analogy.

You cut those Siamese twins apart and somebody dies.

Both die.

Maybe.

You are so terribly close in the perception of the press.

I agree with that, but you also have this theory

In other words, I couldn't agree more.

I believe in fighting like hell.

No, it isn't really a question of demonstrating or anything like that.

No, no, no.

I believe in trying to keep the county down.

Yeah, well, I think we have to analyze this.

I think if you kept it, you would have to go out and say, I carefully reviewed

the evidence which the U.S. Attorney and the Assistant Attorney General have brought me on this subject, allows to sell itself.

We have to weigh, on the one hand, the validity and seriousness of the charge versus the value to me and the individual, and the integrity of the office.

There's an overriding consideration.

uh in in a way it may be do this either way it really stays or goes that's right and you say weighing us i've come to the conclusion well it's not clear cut either way that's right i must do something so that's right but i think you have to make a you have to make a public explanation of either way that's right yeah public explanation

but we make a public complaint for spitting, so we want to use the facts.

You know why you're wrong, yeah.

Let me say, in that case, doing it that way, every intention, I mean, we didn't do it that way, but doing it that way, we could say all of these things happened.

If you don't do it that way, then all circumstances arise.

Either way, if you keep it, like when the interest is arised that you're covering up, if you let go and the interest is arised that you're disloyal or that he's an evil or one of these and all that sort of thing, then you've got to go to the airport.

Because it's an issue with both of you.

It's around yours, so it's all up to you.

Do you want to get back to him early?

Or do you want to get back at him early?

He's very lively, very sharp.

They're very preliminary, but they both, trying to look at it from your standpoint, felt that Bob leaving would hurt you more than help you.

What's the reason?

On the fact that, in other words, that it would look like you were overreacting, number one.

that the facts known were not sufficient to justify it.

So there must be other facts hidden out that you're not expressing.

All right.

And that your case doesn't show evidence.

That would be the part of the extension of that.

Second point.

That's a very tentative conclusion.

That's before they put out that word.

That's it.

So you shouldn't rest my way on that.

Second point is, but I don't know if you're going to know the second point.

All right, now let's come down to the harder place.

What do they say in the event that your name is pulled out of that .

Well, of course, that's got them on their ear.

They just don't even understand what that is.

This is something that they can't understand.

It's one of the reasons they went down there, to find out what that's all about.

Because they say that's just not proper procedure.

And, of course, they're also just on their ear about the fact that the reporter's notes got out.

And they say that that is glancing.

That's a typical prosecutor's credit.

We give Anderson those reporter's notes on the spot.

It's interrogating.

I told Peterson today, I said, that came right out of his mouth.

I said, don't give me that stuff.

I'm going to record that.

It's a vicious cut.

and it's glancer softening it up and blowing it constantly.

Because, well they're going to check, they don't know.

They don't know.

It would be very hard, very hard to prove, unfortunately, but well, the fact that it came out of the park, we'll get it, we'll serve it, is that I don't think there's any challenge for the ranchers, I'm not sure there's something to address that.

There's some story moving on the wire about somebody taking eight boxes of political papers out of the White House the day after the burglary.

Some lawyer has gone down and recorded an order absolving him and his client of contempt by reason of their

taking aid boxes and materials out of the White House on the 18th of June, and holding them until just before the election, and then returning them to the committee for the re-election.

But they secreted them during that period of time, apparently.

No idea.

No idea at all.

No.

Repulses won't be here.

I assume so, but I have this foggy stuff.

Now, he's coming over to see me.

Look, he's over there now.

Repulses?

Yeah.

And I'll find out if the material is still in the custody for any real life.

I don't know.

I don't know what the significance of it is, except somebody had some guilty knowledge.

In fact, the trucking here, the car, and the lawyer, the individual who did it, and his lawyer, was charged with the crime.

I petitioned the court for absolution to keep this personal by coming forward and making a

clean breasts and things, I guess.

It's all very muddy and obscured to me, but... Well, I don't think it's much of a point if you're sitting here, you can always come back.

You know?

If you sit here, this thing's just going to drag you away.

Something like that every 20 minutes.

If you didn't hear that, why...

it wouldn't make any difference and you'd be a lot better off for it.

So, yeah, I think...

It doesn't matter, John.

I think you're just better off down there and everybody can keep you informed.

I hope not.

Well, I mean, you know, if some big deal comes up, Ron will follow this very closely and he'll interrupt you if it's something that comes up and ask you to have your attention.

Political material, whatever that is, went over to the committee and was like, eventually, but it stayed hidden for a few more months.

Apparently.

I had his name on the paper for a while, so it was reported that he was safe in the program that he was in.

But who is that?

No.

All right.

I'm going to get out of here.

That's what I need to say.

Well, how are you doing?

Good.

Well, we're going to work when he calls me tomorrow.

All right.

God damn.

I don't know what the hell that is.

I'd probably better get Colson before he has to leave.

Where is he?

He's in my office.

You know, I'm fine.

I'll see him.

Are you all right?

All right.

Okay.