{"conversationCode":"429-021","tapeNumber":429,"conversationNumber":21,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-429-021","startDateTime":"1973-04-19T23:00:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-19T23:03:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Apr-1973","startTime":"6:00 PM","endDate":"19-Apr-1973","endTime":"6:03 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.;","description":"On April 19, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 6:00 pm to 6:03 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 429-021 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 429-021\n\nDate: April 19, 1973\nTime: 6:00 pm - 6:03 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with John D. Ehrlichman.\n\n[See Conversation No. 038-123]","filename":["429-021.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ehrlichman, John D."],"prevCode":"429-020","nextCode":"429-022","transcript":[{"start":2.04,"end":25.27,"text":"No."},{"start":25.29,"end":25.39,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":25.41,"end":25.47,"text":"No."},{"start":25.49,"end":25.59,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":25.61,"end":25.71,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":25.73,"end":26.99,"text":"But I just can't have anything to do with one of you, I'm sure."},{"start":27.01,"end":27.97,"text":"The day, the day after, we talked to each other."},{"start":27.99,"end":29.45,"text":"And what I thought was, is to say, what office are you coming from, John?"},{"start":29.47,"end":30.81,"text":"Or, if I, if I think, you know, if I'm going to be the one to come."},{"start":31.43,"end":60.11,"text":"And, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,"},{"start":60.75,"end":68.75,"text":"That's the point of the thing."},{"start":68.77,"end":69.81,"text":"We've got words that manage it, like 24 hours a day."},{"start":69.83,"end":69.95,"text":"Right."},{"start":69.97,"end":70.65,"text":"That's the spiritual test of that."},{"start":70.67,"end":71.09,"text":"Right, just all that."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with attorneys John J. Wilson and Frank H. Strickler to discuss the evolving Watergate scandal and its potential legal impact on H.R. Haldeman and John D. Ehrlichman. The participants reviewed the status of federal investigations, the handling of secret funds, and the potential for upcoming indictments against White House staff. They also deliberated on the political implications of keeping or removing Haldeman and Ehrlichman from their positions, comparing the situation to historical precedents regarding presidential staff resignations.","topics":["Watergate","H.R. Haldeman","John D. Ehrlichman","John J. Wilson","Frank H. Strickler","Grand Jury","Indictments","Henry E. Petersen"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T19:38:35.673Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate","h-r-haldeman","john-d-ehrlichman","john-j-wilson","frank-h-strickler","grand-jury","indictments","henry-e-petersen"],"audioDurationSec":80,"audioFiles":[{"file":"429-021.mp3","bytes":2555904,"durationSec":79.73,"bitrate":256445,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.104Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:38.928Z","transcriptGapSeconds":52,"transcriptGapShare":0.65,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/429-021.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/429-021","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/429/conversation-429-021","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}