{"conversationCode":"429-024","tapeNumber":429,"conversationNumber":24,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-429-024","startDateTime":"1973-04-20T02:37:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-20T02:53:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Apr-1973","startTime":"9:37 PM","endDate":"19-Apr-1973","endTime":"9:53 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On April 19, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 9:37 pm to 9:53 pm. 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This transcript has been reviewed under the provisions of the Presidential\nRecordings and Materials Preservation Act of 1974 (PRMPA). The National Archives does not\nguarantee its accuracy.]\n\n[Begin transcribed portion]\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n[End transcribed portion]","filename":["429-024.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. 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