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Conversation 043-015

TapeTape 43StartThursday, February 1, 1973 at 6:51 PMEndThursday, February 1, 1973 at 6:55 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Ziegler, Ronald L.Recording deviceWhite House Telephone
AudioNARA Description

On February 1, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler talked on the telephone from 6:51 pm to 6:55 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 043-015 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 43-15

Date: February 1, 1973
Time: 6:51 pm - 6:55 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.

[See Conversation No. 409-5]

       The President's schedule
            -Meeting with Henry A. Kissinger
            -Meeting with George P. Shultz and Edward R. G. Heath
                  -Trade

       Television coverage of prayer breakfast
            -American Broadcasting Company [ABC]
            -National Broadcasting Company [NBC]
            -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

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                                                                 Conversation No. 43-15 (cont’d)

       Television coverage of Heath’s arrival

[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under court order in
1980, for S.A. 11, A. Ernest Fitzgerald vs. Alexander, et al., No. 74-178 (D.D.C)]

       Kissinger’s interview with Marvin L. Kalb
             -Ziegler’s view
             -Barbara Walters
                   -Interview with Kissinger
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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Is it yours, sir?
Yes, sir.
Just to put you in, I met with the group with Kissinger, I mean, just Kissinger in it for a half hour, and I met for another hour and a half with, we went a little over that, with 432...
or 45 minutes yes and the prime minister so i want to be sure that's out because they'll know that's about economic matters monetary matters trade matters and so forth and so you could handle that all right good the uh breakfast made abc it was really great it's the one network well no it made nbc too i've seen the cbs but they use the part for
where you said the first time in 10 years a president could stand here and say there was peace, and they used the sustained ovation there.
And then the whole passage from the quote of the song through your ending with the standing ovation at the end.
It was really good on ABC.
NBC also used a part of it, not as extensive, but they used that.
They used any of Heath's arrival?
Yes, sir.
At the end of the show on ABC and some on NBC.
Did you get that, did you handle that problem with your, what's that, Patrick?
Fitzgerald, no problem at all.
I just went out and...
I wouldn't let them make a big thing.
No, they didn't, as a matter of fact.
It isn't really, it's just a question of... You said that you had been reviewing the transcript last night after the dinner when you were working on your remarks and so forth.
You want to talk about it this morning, and after the he thing, we discussed it, and you wanted me to simply say that you were, that it had never been put before you, that you had misspoken on that, misunderstood the thrust of the question, and wanted me to tell him that, and there was no problem at all.
We, by the, yeah.
The executive privilege part.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
But it was not an issue.
Well, I've talked to Clark personally, and he's in good shape.
As a matter of fact, he had called both Pat Buchanan and myself and said that he thought that you may have misunderstood what he was asking and suggested that we handle it this way.
So he's in good shape, and we're going to give him the executive privilege statement tomorrow.
I'm looking forward to that.
Good.
Fine.
finishes.
How'd it go?
You were right.
Yes, sir.
It was all right.
Marvin Kalb in the fashion that quite frankly anticipated he would.
It was not a minus by any means.
It could have been a greater plus, but it was not a minus.
He made some good points throughout the thing, but it was a dull interview.
I wouldn't tell Henry that, but I'll have to be quite frank with you.
And it was not Henry's fault as much as it was.
Just the line of the questioning was such that it didn't bring Henry out.
Marvin didn't bring him out.
That's too bad.
Sorry, with all the work he put in it, it didn't make it dull.
Well, I wouldn't ever tell him that.
Oh, you and I, no, we don't.
I know that.
But just tell him it was fine.
He tried to do his best to make some of our points.
He tried.
He made every effort to bring himself to do it.
I think you were right on the score that we talked about in the office.
The questioning did not stimulate him to the point where he could really have put a number of those things out.
Let him try with the girl now.
Right.
Yes, sir.
It doesn't do any harm.
No, no.
It was not a minus, as I say.
Good.
All right.
Fine.
Okay, sir.
Thank you.
Right.
Bye.
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