{"conversationCode":"430-036","tapeNumber":430,"conversationNumber":36,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-430-036","startDateTime":"1973-04-26T00:46:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-26T00:53:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Apr-1973","startTime":"7:46 PM","endDate":"25-Apr-1973","endTime":"7:53 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On April 25, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 7:46 pm to 7:53 pm. 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The\nNixon Presidential Materials Staff reviewed the transcript and made changes as necessary. This\ntranscript has been reviewed under the provisions of the Presidential Recordings and Materials\nPreservation Act of 1974 (PRMPA). The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]\n\n[Begin transcribed portion]\n\n[End transcribed portion]\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542","filename":["430-036.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"430-035","nextCode":"430-037","transcript":[{"start":1.6,"end":25.61,"text":"A wave of terror."},{"start":25.63,"end":27.08,"text":"Whether it's just a matter of whether he thought he would walk with her."},{"start":27.1,"end":27.74,"text":"Could it be that Cindy said yes?"},{"start":27.76,"end":28.08,"text":"I'm pretty sure."},{"start":28.1,"end":29.04,"text":"And he got that hard and he got that depressed."},{"start":29.06,"end":29.6,"text":"I don't know what happened."},{"start":38.84,"end":59.01,"text":"Well, it doesn't matter."},{"start":59.03,"end":59.67,"text":"Nothing is going to be on there."},{"start":59.69,"end":60.08,"text":"I'll just go ahead."},{"start":60.09,"end":60.2,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":60.22,"end":60.55,"text":"They're personal."},{"start":60.58,"end":60.84,"text":"They're here."},{"start":60.86,"end":61.24,"text":"I'll just go ahead."},{"start":61.26,"end":61.64,"text":"I'll just go ahead."},{"start":61.66,"end":62.04,"text":"I'll just go ahead."},{"start":62.06,"end":62.44,"text":"I'll just go ahead."},{"start":63.24,"end":83.83,"text":"His word against, his word against, his word against, his word against the president."},{"start":83.85,"end":86.22,"text":"Yeah, that, I mean, but he didn't make it, you know, so it didn't come as a shame that we had to throw this out there."},{"start":86.24,"end":87.34,"text":"You know, it should have probably been a second letter."},{"start":87.36,"end":88.12,"text":"They were having a good time about it."},{"start":88.14,"end":88.24,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":94.58,"end":120.54,"text":"."},{"start":120.56,"end":120.58,"text":"."},{"start":120.6,"end":120.62,"text":"."},{"start":120.64,"end":120.66,"text":"."},{"start":144.23,"end":156.42,"text":"There's a little laugh on the button for when we have this day, right?"},{"start":156.44,"end":156.56,"text":"Right."},{"start":156.58,"end":156.74,"text":"Right."},{"start":156.76,"end":156.88,"text":"Right."},{"start":156.9,"end":157.02,"text":"Right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Richard Nixon and H. R. Haldeman discuss the handling and disposal of personal materials and correspondence. Their dialogue centers on the potential legal or public relations implications of these items being contested, specifically concerning the President’s word against others. The exchange concludes with a focus on organizing or destroying these records to ensure they do not become a liability.","topics":["Watergate","White House tapes","Records management","Presidential records","H. R. 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