{"conversationCode":"430-039","tapeNumber":430,"conversationNumber":39,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-430-039","startDateTime":"1973-04-26T01:20:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-26T01:23:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Apr-1973","startTime":"8:20 PM","endDate":"25-Apr-1973","endTime":"8:23 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kleindienst, Richard G.;","description":"On April 25, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Richard G. Kleindienst met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 8:20 pm to 8:23 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 430-039 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 430-039\n\nDate: April 25, 1973\nTime: 8:20 pm - 8:23 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Richard G. Kleindienst.\n\n[See Conversation No. 038-159]","filename":["430-039.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kleindienst, Richard G."],"prevCode":"430-038","nextCode":"430-040","transcript":[{"start":5.9,"end":18.77,"text":"I just, did you get your call for an answer?"},{"start":18.79,"end":18.97,"text":"I'm fine."},{"start":18.99,"end":19.65,"text":"What do you point out here?"},{"start":19.67,"end":24.18,"text":"I don't know how you can get a decision from the judge, but I think it's very good for us to be able to know that this is an action security investigation."},{"start":24.2,"end":24.84,"text":"I don't know what the degree is."},{"start":49.63,"end":55.92,"text":"Okay."},{"start":55.94,"end":60.42,"text":"Sleep well, boy."},{"start":60.44,"end":71.72,"text":"But now, you know, people say it repeats the present, so they think it ain't, but what now?"},{"start":72.98,"end":73.06,"text":"Huh?"},{"start":73.08,"end":73.44,"text":"Is that all right?"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Attorney General Richard Kleindienst held a brief, late-night discussion regarding the status of a national security investigation. They touched upon the complexities of obtaining a judicial decision and the political implications of how the public perceives the case. The exchange concluded with the President dismissing Kleindienst, leaving the specific procedural next steps unresolved.","topics":["National Security","Watergate","Justice Department","Executive Privilege","Judicial Process"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T19:43:07.347Z"},"topicSlugs":["national-security","watergate","justice-department","executive-privilege","judicial-process"],"audioDurationSec":83,"audioFiles":[{"file":"430-039.mp3","bytes":2672640,"durationSec":83.4,"bitrate":256368,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.105Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:39.112Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/430-039.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/430-039","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/430/conversation-430-039","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}